Re: Archaeologists see treasure looting taking all of the shipwrecks

On Jun 13, 1:48 am, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jun 11, 8:54 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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But that is one unproven example. There were several ships at the
Merchant Royal site, as stated by the Odyssey spokesperson, there
seems to have been no attempt to study them before gathering up the
MR's gold.

ships of the era the gold was found on are well known.
sometimes wrecks are just wrecks

That should get a PhD in underwater archaeology from the Willie Sutton
school. I rob banks because that's where the money is.

Brilliant! Sometimes wrecks are just wrecks, words to live by. If the
location was so well known why did it take so long to find it?

Have you ever heard of the Atocha?

and what has the length of time needed to find have to do with anything?

oh look, the atocha, we found the captain has a gold cross. now we know
everything about the 17th century.
and look! knives and forks, why! they are just like the ones landsmen
used!

if the atocha didn't have gold nobody would have ever heard of never
mind
looked for it.
there was nothing unique about it as a ship went and they know how it
was
constructed..

I hate to bring this up but archaeology is the careful examination of
the evidence, not slam bang here's a gold cross, must have been the
captain's. On time, Mel Fisher took 16 years, 100 court cases, the
lose of a son and daughter in law so that he could wear gold chains
for 13 years. I live about 20 miles from the site of the 1715 Spanish
treasure fleet last resting place, there are two "museums" nearby,
mostly sales offices for the stuff and the replicas of stuff that
Fisher found on Atocha and his Treasure Salvors found at Sebastian.

They are still digging away out there and after a hurricane the
beaches are filled with metal detectors and seekers. None of them care
if the ship was carrying the passengers' wealth too, except they want
to find some. Spain had enormous wealth in the 17th and 18th centuries
and pissed it away.

One of the great crimes of humanity was Heinrich Schlieman's
devastation of several Bronze age sites, especially Troy. Going on the
assumption that the "old stuff" was at the bottom of Hisarlyk he did a
30 foot wide excavation through one side of the hill. Universities
have been trying to piece together what was lost there for the last
140 years.

I can't justify archaeology any more than I can justify doing a search
for sources on a problem. The more you know the more you know, lack of
curiosity is a symptom of a probably fatal disease.

archaeology is wonderful. but not everything is historically significant.

you can say whay you want about schlieman but he invented archaeology.
before him no one did anything beyond grave robbing at night.

that he didn't know the modern techniques is understandable, he at least saw
that there might be something to digging and looking.

just saying everything belongs to scholars so they can write books that only
other scholars will ever read is bull***.

they know how the atocha was built. they have plenty of 17th century spanish
artifacts in spain.

there are records of ships sunk all over the world. there are plenty of them
for archaeologists to find.

I could quote a well-know Hawaiian Commander here but you are so on
target as to be considered a plant.

You show all the characteristics of the classical Phillistine and one
of the great questions of the nautical archaeology field is finding
out if there is a relationship between the Phillistines (ancient) and
the Minoans. Finding any part of a Minoan ship would start that, but
it might be lying under some 18th century bucket that had been
carrying a Spanish payroll, and perish in the eager search for gold.

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