Re: O/T - when politicking gets ugly ....

"Arved Sandstrom" <asandstrom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" <fmccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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:> "Arved Sandstrom" <asandstrom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
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:> :You mean, am I able to read and change my position given further
:> evidence?
:> :Guilty as charged. You OTOH would be innocent.
:>
:> No, I mean you are changing your claim without admitting either that
:> you are doing so or that your prior claim was, as I characterized it,
:> preposterous.
:>
:> In other, blunter, words, you are trying to lie your way out of having
:> made an egregiously stupid remark.
:
:Let's put it this way, Fred.

Better yet, let's tell the truth.

:If a person changes their position based on new
:facts, you call it quibbling and lying. Even if the person announces that
:they have changed their position.

Wrong, and another outright lie on your part, since that's not what
happened.

:Rather odd, seeing as how you do it all the time.

Another lie. Jesus, first you talk yourself into a corner and now you
can't find an honest word to say.

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:> :I stand by my assertion. Foreign terrorism is a mosquito alighting on the US
:> :skin - it's done nothing significant. 9/11 was no major blow, or ought not
:> :to have been - we made it one when Bush invaded Iraq and sucked us into the
:> :second longest war the US has ever had.
:>
:> A pity you are unable to back up your position. Sorry to disappoint
:> you, but most of us don't consider 9/11 "nothing significant". We
:> don't consider the USS Cole "nothing significant". We don't consider
:> the bombing attacks on American embassies "nothing significant".
:
:Who's "we"? 90% of Americans have no idea that the USS Cole or other AQ acts
:overseas even ever happened, Fred.

Hogwash! You just can't stop making things up, can you?

:Try a neighbourhood poll sometime (do it
:scientifically, though, without coaching).

I'd pretty much guarantee that 100% of my neighbors know about these
things.

:I also fail to see how overseas
:actions are domestic.

Who said it was? Your statement was "Foreign terrorism is a mosquito
alighting on the US skin - it's done nothing significant."

I disagree. Most Americans are on my side of the question, not yours.

:You might be surprised, too, if you did a poll on how typical Americans in
:various spots view 9/11. Considering that a large percentage don't even
:think that AQ did it, but rather that the CIA and Mossad did,

Hogwash! Post your cite, if you can. I say you're lying.

:... and of the
:rest there's no small number that have a sneaky Schadenfreude that rich New
:Yorkers got blown up, ...

Cite? I thought not.

:... or they simply don't give a shit because they don't
:know anyone who was a victim, ...

Cite? I thought not.

:... or they are actively hostile to Bush because
:they are from Kansas and their son is in Iraq,

Preposterous remark, not to mention that being "hostile to Bush" has
nothing to do with what we're talking about. Jesus, what planet are
you living on these days, Arved?

:you might have a really
:difficult time defining "we".

You REALLY need to stop making shit up, Arved. It's just getting
stupider and stupider.

:*You* are not *we*, Fred.

Thank God, because YOU appear to be a dumbass.

:Clue into that concept. I, sitting in Nova Scotia,
:am as American as you are, because I love the country, I am as tuned into it
:as you are, and at least _I_ recognize that I have no frigging idea what
:other Americans think. Clearly you don't either, but you think you do.

I see. ARVED is clueless, so everyone must be.

:Before you call me full of shit for saying that I am tuned in to America (or
:not), let me ask you this. What's the guy three houses down the street from
:you thinking? Any idea what the cashiers and baggers at your favourite
:supermarket think? Do you have deep political discussions with your
:coworkers? Any idea what the people think one state over, Fred? No? I didn't
:think so.

I see. You're asking the questions AND giving the answers. No need
for me to bother, then. Just another typical tactic by Usenet Lusers
who can't support their own positions and so insist that everyone is
as ill-informed as they are.

Hint: You *ARE* full of shit. The guy three houses down the street
from me pretty much shares my views on this particular topic. Yes, I
do have "deep political discussions with my coworkers". The "people
one state over" are as diverse as people anywhere and think all sorts
of things.

Are you always this bloody stupid just to avoid admitting your
original remarks were preposterous, just as I said they are?

:> :Domestic terrorism is much more serious - it's home-grown Americans not
:> :happy with the gummint. There's 300 million Americans - if one in a million
:> :is truly pissed off at Bush, that's 300 terrorists. And they have papers,
:> :access to guns, they know the country...get a grip Fred. The danger is not
:> :swarthy guys in turbans, it's your neighbour.
:>
:> I'd suggest it's YOU that needs to "get a grip", Arved, since the only
:> cites you were able to put forward don't even support your claim.
:
:They do ...

I note you've already clipped all the quotes that show they DON'T.

: - but you're so hell-bent on being argumentative that soon you will
:say that there isn't any domestic terrorism at all.

About what I expect from you...

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
.

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