Re: Museum Ships "sleep on a battleship"

JustMe wrote:
"Mark Borgerson" <mborgerson.at.comcast.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1e90c4a7a684885898a196@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In article <E96dnfXay_XHibrZRVn-gg@xxxxxxxxxxx>, roh@xxxxxxxxxxx says...
"Mark Borgerson" <mborgerson.at.comcast.net> wrote in message
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In article <1143349412.788159.125200@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
gblack@xxxxxxxx says...
Kerryn Offord wrote:
george wrote:
<SNIP>
:-)
Most of us posting in this group have slept aboard many different
types
of warship, got paid to do it and no-one -ever- made sure the ship
was
in a safe condition for all junior rates in ships company to
indulge.
One of my messes had as a bulkhead the "A" Turrets 3.7 magazine...
Ask some other ratings here vince you old sea dog. and don't forget
to
fence the gangways and break out the cotton wool

How many of the people serving on warships got to sue the owners if
something went wrong (Non-combat accident).. Then consider what fun
you
can have with 300 7 year olds.. Especially if there is a fire aboard
ship...
Such is covered by the largess of the pensions paid to exmatelots.
300 7 year olds eh.
I'd consider that they're more in danger of fire at schools, in
churches and in their homes.
If the ship is still fitted out with the fire fighting gear it had in
commission onboard and operable with the POB as exnavy more than
capable of containing any fire and evacuating paying guests to the
quayside...
That's brings up some good questions. Do museum ships have as many
operable fire extinguishers as operating naval vessels? Do they
have water in the fire mains and inspected and tested fire hoses
in the same places as operating vessels? Do they have trained
damage control crews assigned to the watch and station bill?
Or do they have a few security guards trained to call 911
when they walk into a compartment filled with smoke?

Oh, and also consider.. Just recently an ocean liner caught fire at
sea
from, maybe, a cigarette...
Maybe a cigarette huh.
That llevel of damage control report just about says it all.

If you've ever been aboard ship a few hundred miles from land
and heard "Fire party to the engine room--This is not a drill",
you would not take this discussion too lightly. Shipboard fires
are no laughing matter---whether at sea or at the pier.

Mark Borgerson



do they have ammo and fuel?
Ammo and fuel are not the most common sources of fuel for non-combat
fires.
masses of flamable material?
I suspect that musem ships have paint lockers just like any other
ship. They also have bedding and painted bulkheads

While bedding and painted surfaces present a source of fuel, I doubt anyone with common sense has recreated the paint locker onboard. Most likely that sort of thing is ashore.

are museum ships hundreds of miles out to sea?
Generally not.


are boy,cub and girl scouts building campfires
on the decks?
Probably not.


do kids get on board and break out books of matches?
I dunno. Does anyone search them as the come aboard? ;-)

Does everyone on a museum ship get at least a few days
training in firefighting?

Why, does anyone staying in a hotel get firefighting training? Do scouts at camp get training? That's what the local fire dept is for.

Is there an OBA for everyone aboard and are they trained
to use it?

Why? On a commissioned ship there are only a relative handfull of OBA's. They're used for fighting the fire, not emergency egress.
Is the crew trained to shut off ventilation to burning compartments
to limit the spread of smoke and fire?


What crew? Do you mean that old guy they hired for a security watch?

IOW, there are hazards on museum ships and hazards on active ships.
Neither is hazard free. I think we are willing to accept a higher
risk with our military volunteers that we will accept for our children.

Any comparison to a commissioned ship is rediculous. Has any museum ship ever experienced a fire? The USS Olympia has been on the Philadelphia waterfront for almost a century and I don't know of any fires although she's been dewatered any number of times.


I suspect it's prudent to have the local Fire Marshall and or Coast Guard examine the conditions but asking some lawyer cum fire safety expert that has never left the safety and security of the university to participate is foolishness if not downright stupid.

one of the last conversations I had with my father before he died was about this ship. He saw the photos and was appalled. He was the Officer in command of the navy fire school in both panama and norfolk and Commander of the shipboard fire crew of the 5th naval district.

I consult experts at every stage of my work.

Vince
.

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