Re: Showing Saddam how its done

Vince <firelaw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> Vince <firelaw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> :Fred J. McCall wrote: : :> :> I vote we just document their refusal
:> to eat, let them die, then feed :> :> them to the sharks. That seems
:> to be the alternative to force feeding :> :> them. :> : :> :The issue
:> is not what to do, it is that the government of the United :> :States
:> says that in our kinder gentler concentration camps inmates have :>
:> :no right to petition the courts over their treatment. :> :> No, the
:> issue is the characterization by the judge and the defense of :>
:> force feeding hunger strikers as 'torture'. :> :> With judges like
:> that, small wonder there is resistance to letting :> captive
:> combatants take their cases to court. :> :> Hint: Look up the real
:> definition of 'concentration camp' and stop :> using it
:> inappropriately. You'll look less like a total ass that way :> and
:> will still be able to discuss the issues you claim are of concern :>
:> to you. : :People in various times and places would rather die than
:> suffer certain :indignities or torture. The willingness of people
:> to die rather than :submit to indignity is something that is
:> investigated in civilized :societies. and it is investigated by
:> impartial magistrates.
:>
:> Nonsense. If death is what they choose, I vote we let them choose
:> it.
:
:My point is you investigate whey they would make the choice.

No investigation necessary. Your point is specious. Same reason they
blow themselves up.

:> :Guantanamo is a place of imprisonment of persons who have not been
:> :adjudicated criminals or POWS by proper procedures. That makes it a
:> :Concentration camp by any reasonable definition
:>
:> More nonsense. Enemy prisoners have never in all of history required
:> being "adjudicated" to that status. The Conventions only require
:> such adjudication if there is any DOUBT of their status.
:
:nonsense. And we have been over this many times. Only in Bushland

Done listening. You're obviously still talking nonsense. I've told
you about this silly *** before. Yes, we've been over this many
times and if you ever pull your head out and can actually discuss
ISSUES without your stupid political polemics, do get back to me.

:the
:the "status" of "unlawful combatant by executive decree" exist.
:the convention was specifically designed to prevent repetition of the
:Commando order Hitler had no "doubt"

Go read it. There is no doubt as to what they are. The Convention
itself says no tribunal is required.

:> Why is it only America's enemies that you think this needs to be done
:> for?
:
:to protect americans

Ridiculous assertion.

:> Again, I suggest you look up what the definition of 'concentration
:> camp' actually is. Under no stretch of the imagination can the
:> facility at Guantanamo Bay be fit into that definition unless you so
:> broaden the definition such that any facility used for detention of
:> anyone fits.
:
:A concentration camp is a large detention center created for
:political opponents, enemy aliens, specific ethnic or religious
:groups, civilians of a critical war-zone, or other groups of people,
:often during a war. The term refers to situations where the internees
:are persons selected for their conformance to broad criteria without
:judicial process, rather than having been judged as individuals
:wikpedia

And we take Wikipedia as a penultimate source now, do we? Regardless,
Guantanamo is not a concentration camp under that definition.

:> What group, pray tell, is being 'concentrated' there?
:
:accused Islamic political enemies of the Bush regime

Bull***. So by your definition ANY prison is a concentration camp?
Ridiculous assertion driven solely by your hatred of Bush.

:> Again, your arguments will have much more real impact if you don't
:> couch them in terms that cause virtually everyone to write you off as
:> a loon and simply ignore what you say.

Go write the preceding 1,000 times before you respond, Vinnie.

--
"False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the
soul with evil."
-- Socrates
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