Re: The proposed aircraft for the Royal Navy's two new carriers part 2


"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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kolinat...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
"Even if 90% work great, that loose 10% may prove too dangerous".

But how about risks assorted with older forms of close air support? I
presume you would prefer Mavericks, unguided rockets and gun runs?
What's the miss percentage for them? Similar problems with target
identification exist with those methods also and are actually even
worse.

And how about Excalibur/ERGM contra older method of firing HE/VT mix?

No system is perfect but still I think too many people point out on
inherent risks of new technology while ignoring deficiencies in order
technology.

Let me say that if you are the pilot of an aircraft that is supposed to
provide close air support and instead bomb and strafe your own people
you are wise not to brag about how you clocked in at mach .6 and really
laid down the wood. Usually the CAP people perfer Marine pilots because
they know where they will have to find food and booze after their
mission. There has to be a tie between the air part and the land part,
something that is distinctly missing in Iraq as it was in Vietnam.

Unfortunately for you, the worst cases of fratricide from CAS during ODS
came from your A-10, and the AH-64. Both what one would hardly call speed
demons, huh?


I saw a guy point out what part of the A-10 was that 30mm gun and it
reaches back beyond the pilot's position. That is a gun, as Crocadile
Dundee would say.

You erased the part that said the guided weapons are pretty much
worthless in an urban environment unless the concept is to piss off an
entire neighborhood.

ROFLOL! YGBSM. PGM's are extremely desirable for urban operations due to
both their improved ability to actually hit what you want, and just as
importantly, their much-reduced tendency to hit what you *don't* want to
hit. Jack, have you done any reading from the US Army FA community side of
the house? Apparently not, or you would realize that *they* understand that
in order to make FA a player in the urban fight they have to get their PGM's
into the field. You want to piss of a neighborhood, try using dumb bombs or
arty rounds against urban targets--you want to acheive the mission goals and
reduce collateral damage, you go with PGM's. Geeze man, this is about as
good as the time you told us that all it took to make a implosion type
fission device was a big hunk of C-4 around the pit...

Thye following points out how desperately the FA community wants PGM's for
the urban fight:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IAU/is_4_10/ai_n15966222

Or you could go to FM 3-06, which states: "The mix of munitions used by
indirect fire systems will change somewhat in urban areas. Units will likely
request more precision-guided munitions (PGM) for artillery systems to
target small enemy positions, such as snipers or machine guns, while
limiting collateral damage."

Brooks




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