Re: what ship--Bedford incident?


"TOliver" <toliverjrFIX@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> "William Black" <william.black@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> > "Roger Conroy" <rogerconroy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
> >> You are correct - the surviving "old salts" -- were fairly
> >> contemptuous of the new breed of Nazi hotheads
> I do question all this revisionism re: the concept of the "Good Germans",
> the - view - Uboat crews were somehow less "N*zi" than a variety of
> other groups in German society or the military. The ability of the
> National Socialist Party to take power, --, commit the nation to an
> indescribably -- destructive war, murder some 8 digit figure ----
> was accomplished because the overwhelming majority of Germans
> acceded to and supported the deal. ----------
> Just as we somehow and quite erroneously allowed the Japanese
> to evade much personal burden of guilt
> to grant to - survivors - some sort of amnesty for any personal
> individual or collective culpability for the war -------
> it remains as wrong today and it would have seemed in 1945.
> R- scientists and intelligence personnel received free passes because
> we needed (or imagined or --) their asses to save our
> own. Too many German corporate moguls with bloody hands ----
> caugfht free rides because the Allies believed that rebuilding the
> economy was the best barrier to Soviet ability / ambitions.
> (I) had dealings with men who had served in the Kriegsmarine
> ---, I respected their professionalism and skill,
> but then or now couldn't and wouldn't erase their share of the blame.

Excuse my snippage, tried reduce size but keep important points.
TMO, I always greatly respect your views, but here wish to at
least hint at a somewhat different POV than some words you used.
One of my 'core' beliefs is that we will never achieve 'perfect'
justice. It is just too expensive and ill-defined nor agreed on.
I totally agree that for both Germany, and especially Japan,
we let many very bad and guilty individuals off the hook.

That certainly has some regrettable points.
But I am not sure it is "erroneously" or "wrong".
>From 2 POV (practical and 'Christain' forgiveness)
there are good arguments for at some point (where??)
letting it go. Not 'forgetting' or even maybe 'forgiving',
but moving on.

We have all sinned, or done wrong, and thus in some
eyes deserve some punishment. Where should it stop?

Perhaps even Hirohito should have been punished.
But perhaps we are all now better off, because then
we brought him, and thus much of Japan's citizenry
on board for new direction and new future.

Trying to get the final "eye for an eye, tooth - for tooth"
at some point becomes unproductive and perhaps
eats away at our 'perceived virtue'/ souls.

WWI ended with Versailles Treaty, very 'punative',
that just set up situation of hate anger etc.
WWII ended with much charity and help, and
set up entirely different future.


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