Re: Stay away from "vision educators"

In article <MPG.19a0267a83607f95989...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,

Kevin <sevenths...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is well known that in general all myopes have a deterioration at the
very edges of the retina as compared to people who have not worn
glasses.

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Heavens, Your points are interesting and I've noted them, but what an
astonishing raeaction!

I did not say 'degeneration at the edge of the retina is due to the
wearing of glasses', I merely suggested that it not be ignored as a
possible contributing factor in the causation of this condition. That's
a line of enquiry, not a scientific proclamation.

Hogwash! I'd suggest you read your own words again. I quoted it
here,
above directly from your post.

Try responding to me again in a much less assumptive manner , then maybe
your words won't sound so hollow.

Not hollow.

Your statement is simply false. It is not "well known that all
myopes............" That is wrong. Just say: "I should have been more
careful how I chose my words. Or admit you are wrong. It has to be
one
or the other.

I'm sorry if clincal observation and the reporting of data based on
the
scientific method gets in the way of Bates rhetoric. It's simple to
find lack of credibilty in The Method when parts of it are known to be
false, invalid, or detrimental.

On the other hand, it seems that the Bates Cultists have not been able
to come up with any credible evidence that there is validity to The
Method. Nothing. If you want to discuss Bates in a sci.med heirarchy
of
UseNet newsgroups, then you've got to come up with some science.
Otherwise, the proper place to promote Bates is in an alt. newsgroup
or
perhaps misc.health.alternative. Not here.

I've been around here long enough to know that every couple of years a
new crop of Bates zealots shows up here for a while, usually just
after
the pin-hole glasses people leave. This current crop is taking longer
than usual to go away.

Personally, I love to see you cultists get it together and fund a
study
to try to prove your point. It doesn't matter whether YOU think it
works or even if a whole cult of users thinks it works. You've got to
able to show cause and effect relationship. It is helpful to
understand
the physiology that makes the connection, but sometimes it is OK to
present data that shows the cause and effect without knowing exactly
why
and how. You can work on that later. Then you've got to show it is
both
safe and effective, or at least exactly HOW effective. You've got to
be
able to prove The Method is a safe and effective treatment for what it
is promoted to achieve.

Either it is, or it isn't. Don't YOU really want to know, or it is
still
OK to believe the moon is made of cheese and the earth is flat? I
heard
it's just those warped polycarbonate windows on the all spacecraft
that
make the earth appear to a globe. Of course the moon isn't made of
cheese! No one believed that one. Did they?

--LB
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