Re: Can Eyesight be Improved Naturally?

On 16 May 2007 18:24:39 -0700, "otisbrown@xxxxxx" <otisbrown@xxxxxx>
wrote:

All of your so-called experts are either dead and/or worked 30 years
ago when much less was known about refractive errors. Have you read
anything on the topic recently? Obviously not.

Now as for the only current "second opinion" example you can think of,
Steve Leung, he is simply a fanatic living in Asia whose opinions are
not accepted by any of his coherts. Probably you are the only person
who quotes his opinions.

Where is the proof for any of what you claim? We both know the
answer-- there isn't any. You just want us to accept it on faith.
This newsgroup is "science" "medicince" "vision". It isn't about
faith or alternative medicine or science-fiction.

You are a freak. Take your troll friend Kamekaze and go away to your
little seldom-visited corner of the internet and post your messages to
each other there.



Dear Kaze,

Ask yourself this -- who has more credibilty, a flake
like Neil Brooks who is not a scientists, and has
not a clue, or scientists like Dr. Stirling Colgate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_Colgate

If you want to believe nay-sayer Neil Brooks, who
have NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF, and just shoot
their mouth off.

But I always prefer the credibility of scientists
like Stiling, Francis Young and William Bates.

Further, there are optometrists like Steve Leung at:

www.chinamyopia.org

Who will help children AVOID ENTRY INTO A
NEGATIVE REFRACTIVE STATE -- if you will
LET THEM.

But if you sit on your *** to long, well
you will lose your distant vision permanently.

No one can resolve this issue of you, of course,
but just consider successful prevention the
second-opnion.

Best,

Otis



On May 16, 12:45 pm, "otisbr...@xxxxxx" <otisbr...@xxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Kaze,

Subject: The dynamic natural eye.

Some people are nay-sayers, and think everything
in science is IMPOSSIBLE.

Others, who pay attention to the objective facts concerning
the dynamic behavior of the NATURAL EYE, read their
Snelle (at 20/70 -- about -1.25 idopters), get very busy
with a plus, monitor their Snellen, and slowly get
their refractive STATE to change in a positive direction,
i.e., the Snellen slowly clears. Here is the example
of how it is done.

http://www.geocities.com/otisbrown17268/AboutUs.txt

Just think of this as the intelligent second-opinion.

This man did not bother attempting to "argue" natrual
vision CLEARING. He simply knew what he had
to do -- AND DID IT.

That is how you resolve this issue of the natural
eye's dynamic behavior, and preventing a negative
refractive STATE of the natural eye.

Just one man's opinion.

Otis

On May 16, 6:36 am, "Kazekage via MedKB.com" <u34144@uwe> wrote:



Thank you for the informative reply, Mike!

"You cannot improve your vision by "natural" means. If you have to get
stronger glasses, then that's your fate. Either that, or go around
with blurry vision."

=(

"Myopia is not caused by mental strain or eye strain. At the very
most, I've seen references to studies which seem to correlate
increased myopia with close-up visual work. No actual causation can
be assumed from the details of such studies that I've seen."

Yikes, well I've never done any actual studies on it. I guess it's probably
not mental strain, I was just imagining it. But like I said, I spend more
time outside (where I focus at long distances) and I hardly spend very much
time doing close up work (except when I go on this forum for a short time to
reply). So I guess I amone of the 'outliers' in that correlation graph?

"
You didn't really specify how "rapidly" your vision is worsening (if
your current prescription was reached gradually over 4 years, that's
not rapid)."

Sorry, my bad. I got glasses around the same age as you but then my
prescription was quite low, I can't remember but I'm guessing about -0.5 and -
1 (left and right). It stayed like that for a couple of years, but now it's
suddenly started to deteriorate quickly, in fact I think I can even feel it
getting worse by the second! =0

"If nothing is found, then you're simply
destined to require glasses (or contacts - a second opinion on that
might be worth getting).

Like I said, the doctor won't let me wear contacts because of other health
reasons.

"I don't think you're even old enough to be a
candidate for laser surgery."

Nah, I'm pretty sure I am - some of my friends at school have had it done?

"You're far too young to be drawing any drastic conclusions about where
your vision is headed. You may end up stabilizing more early than I
did, or you may indeed get progressively worse as time goes on. Only
time will tell, and at 15, you've not yet experienced enough of that
to guess."

So, vision is kind of like a random flow of water? You don't know when the
'waterfall' will stop and you'll catch on a branch or rock (as in stabilize)?
Or can scientists at least give you a rough guess of how your headed? (Like a
weather forecast)?

"The only effect any of them can have is as a placebo. The
placebo effect is...

In the US, all pharmaceuticals are test against placebos (usually in the form
of a sugar pill) before being judged effective."

Omg, we were studying the 'placebo effect' just last week at school. I wish
I'd been listening! =P

"a strange phenomenon where people who think they are
receiving effective treatment have reduced symptoms (typically reduced
pain), and heal themselves more effectively, within limits. "

Within limits, but if it works, it works, right? Can it be explained by
science now, or is it still a strange phenomenon? If the placebo effect
exists, then why can't other natural forms of healing exist, that can cure
(currently what is known to be) the incurable? Who's to say Otis' plus lens
thingy actually works!? (Calm down, Neil - I'm kidding, alright?)

"The Bates vision scam doesn't even have the placebo effect to draw on.
You can't see better simply by believing that the treatment works,
because it doesn't,"

And can you prove that? (I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just asking!)

With great debt,

-Kaze

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