Re: color doppler ultrasound to detect prostate cancer?

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Rich256 <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jason wrote:
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Rich256 wrote:
Jason wrote:
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Rich256
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Jason wrote:
In article <124th3pev79gr77@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Pete"
<pete@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
ugghle wrote:
The key words here are "detecting signs of colon cancer or rectal
cancer".
You still need to get a biopsy, so you just wasted your time getting
the
virtual bull***, and will need an endoscopic colonoscopy anyway to
get a
biopsy

The question is if you don't detect any signs of colon cancer or
rectal cancer, then you don't need a biopsy. Here's another example,
when you go to the dentist and he thinks there might be a cavity but
can't see it, he has two choices. Drill and look or get more
information by taking an xray. I think an xray would be prudent to
confirm a cavity. I'm not saying technology is all inclusive, but I
sure would avail myself of all the non invasive exams prior ot any
"procedures".
Ugg...your missing a couple of my main points. Catscans are far
from non-invasive (they are very invasive - a simple chest CT is
equivalent to approx 100 flat view chest x-rays - you need to study
radiation if
you think
that catscans are non-invasive ). Plus, the damn virtual full body
scans (which may or may not include the colonoscopy) are very
expensive and not covered by insurance. They basically open up a
can of worms, for further investigation into something that is
unlikely to be cancer in most cases (haven't you heard or read
about this stuff - ie the virtual controversy). It's been on the
news for years now.

I told you the that EGD's and colonoscopies are not that invasive
(except for the possible risk with general anesthesia, which you would
probably know
about if you had GA before). Go ahead and waste your money on the
virtual colonoscopy if you want to, because if it finds anything,
you will end up with a real colonoscopy anyway.

People have the virtual stuff (mostly the more well to do people
who can afford it) basically because they are over 50 and looking
for a peace of mind (and they don't even have any symptoms). Then
when it shows
something
suspicious, they are usually headed for a barrage of further tests,
even though it may not be anything serious. I think it is bull***
personally, and that is my opinion. Don't kid yourself its all
about making money in this beautiful (dog eat dog) capitalistic
world we live in

Pete
Pete,
Several months ago, I read an article about the virtual colonoscopy.
One
danger that you did not mention (unless I missed it) is the radiation
exposure that happens when a virtual colonscopy is done. I don't
have the
article in front of me but I seem to recall reading that it produces
what
I consider to be dangerous levels of radiation. A regular colonoscopy
causes NO radiation exposure. You may want to do a google search on
this
subject before you consider it. Perhaps someone can compare the
radiation
exposure produced by a virtual colonscopy compared to a standard dental
X-Ray.
Jason

And before you have a colonscopy done you might now see if the doctor
uses the pill camera. Perhaps that will indicate if further
inspection is needed.


http://www.healthcare.ucla.edu/vital-signs/article-display?article_id=423


As for radiation, anyone catch the History Channel on the foot Xray
machines? Just a few days earlier I was just talking about and how
we would go into shoe stores to look at our feet with their Xray
machine. I wonder how many shoe salesmen of the day died of radiation.
If a 50 year old person received a virtual colonoscopy every 5 years, he
or she is putting their future health in danger. There is usally NO
danger
involved in getting a normal colonoscopy every 5 years--after the age of
50 years old.
Jason

Virtual may not be as thorough as normal. I have seen something to the
effect of what you say about radiation but there say no:

"Researchers from the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia
University Medical Center estimated the radiation dose to different
organs from adult CT colonography scans. Dose-, organ- and
gender-specific excess relative risks for cancer incidence in Japanese
A-bomb survivors were used as a basis to generate risk estimates for the
U.S. population. This study found the estimated lifetime risk of cancer
as a result of radiation from CT colonography in a 50-year-old subject
is about 0.14 percent and 0.022 percent for a 70-year-old patient. The
main organs found to be at risk for cancer are the colon, stomach and
bladder."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=26899


Then compare deaths to the Anesthesia.

Colonscopy is not without dangers either. Several years ago I have
strong suspicions that a Sigmoidoscopy resulted in a ruptured appendix.
When finally operated on the Dr. said it had been ruptured (leaking)
for at least three weeks. I won't say that the Sigmoidoscopy about two
months earlier did it but I experienced a lot of pain during it (age 62
I think).

I have had Colonscopyies since.

Hello,
There are risks related to almost all invasive medical procedures.
I saw a story on the television related to some of those cases where
doctors operated on (or removed) the wrong arm or leg.
Jason


I caught the end of that. The doctor initialing something on the arm.

That appendix problem was kind of different. I was feeling just fine
until one day the pain hit. Went to the GP who sent me to the surgeon.
My white cell count was normal but he put me in the hospital. They
checked me for prostate problems about 10 times!! Finally he said
there wasn't anything to do but take a look. Operated abut midnight. I
woke up to the voice of a female intern who had been with me all day.
She said "you are lucky, you are really lucky, it was ruptured - I
couldn't believe it". As I said I think it was really leaking and
gangrene had set in around the area. Spent a week in the hospital with
3 bags of stuff dripping into my arms.

That's an interesting story. You may have grounds for a lawsuit. I did not
know that it was possible for a doctor to rupture the appendix as a result
of making use of a Sigmoidoscopy. I guess the doctor would deny that he
ruptured your appendix. I know of one local doctor that operated on the
back of a patient. The patient's back is now much worst than it was prior
to the surgery. The doctor even cut some blood vessels leading to his
right leg. The doctor (of course) denies that he done anything wrong
during the surgery. The patient now has a limp when he walks and had to
quit his job since his back hurts when he moves in certain directions or
stands up more than 5 minutes.
Jason

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