Re: BRUCE KAMIAT RESPONDS TO LIBELOUS ACCUSATIONS POSTED ON THIS LIST AND ELSEWHERE ON THE NET BY JOHN PAZMINO AND TOM CLABOUGH

As I was not a member of this group, I was not aware that Bruce
Kamiat
posted this message about myself, until a friend informed me.
Clearly,
I must respond. I do not intend to follow up with any further
responses...unless he decides to provoke me again. Even in that case,
I will try hard not to pay any attention to him.

On Sep 3, 2007 6:29 pm, Bruce Kamiat <SN195...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Tom Clabough for a long time pursued a macropolitical agenda:
using John Pazmino's Yahoo group, ostensibly an amateur astronomy
forum, as a platform for verbally assaulting Democrats and others who
disagree with his far-right-wing politics."


First of all, I didn't begin posting political responses on that
group
until AFTER many
left-wing and Republican-bashing messages were posted. Second, the
extent of my "far-right-wing politics" is to state my objection to
the
FACT that the democratic party has moved waaaay to the radical left.
In fact, two democrat party House chairmen, John Conyers and Charlie
Rangel, OPENLY work with Revolutionary-Communist organizations! One
of
the organizations, The Revolutionary Communist Party, actually calls
for the violent overthrow of the American government.


From the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party, parent org
behind World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, the same
organization that democrat Chair of the House Judiciary Committee,
John Conyers of Michigan, endorsed, then gave a SPEECH to!

The RCP "Mission Statement": "Create Public Opinion, Seize Power! We
are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is
a
major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes
from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future
Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and
wage
a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of winning.
And we have said that building our party itself is the most important
part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is
true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the
waging of that armed struggle. ":


(see link for details)
http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm


On Oct 5, 2006, Democrat Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,
John Conyers Jr, the same who is out leading an "investigation" into
the Bush White House, *gave a speech* to the World Can't Wait--Drive
Out the Bush Regime organization.


(see link for details)
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&i...


Or, if the long url above breaks up:
http://tinyurl.com/ygx9w6


Before that, he openly ENDORSED the movement!
See "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include...".
(John Conyers' endorsement appears immediately after Ward
Churchill's)


(see link for details)
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25...


Or, if the long url above breaks up:
http://tinyurl.com/ef6z6


FACT: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a MAOIST-
revolutionary movement initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary
Communist Party!
(scroll down the list that appears to find the World Can't Wait
organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist
Party) :
(see link for details)
http://rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm


From David Horowitz's FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:


Profile: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime (WCW)

*Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the
Bush administration


*Organizes college and high-school students


*Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader
of the Revolutionary Communist Party


(see link for details)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7213


Here's the Revolutionary Communist Party (see link below) boasting of
a FULL PAGE 'World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime' ad of
theirs which actually appeared in the New York Times.
(either "rwor.org" or "revcom.us" takes you to the website of the
Revolutionary Communist Party). The NY Times allowed a 2nd full-page
RCP/WCW ad to be run several months later! In fact, they are, or have
very recently, ran another large ad.
(see link for details)
http://www.rwor.org/a/028/who-hated-bush-ad.htm


Here's a photo of the current chairman of the House Ways and Means
Committee, DEMOCRAT Charlie Rangel, at the podium of a Workers World
Party /
Troops Out Now demonstration here in New York City. Also, in this set
of photos are terrorist and communist attorneys Lynn Steward and
Ramsey Clark. They were at the same WWP event in which Rangel spoke.
Ramsey Clark is the founder and chair of the International Action
Center, as well as the former Attorney General under democrat prez
LBJ. The IAC works very closely with WWP. In fact, they even share
the
same office space in NYC.
http://www.workers.org/march19/index2.html


Here's a letter former, now deceased, chairman of the Workers World
party, Sam Marcy, sent to "Comrade Kim Jong-Il". It's from the
Workers World Party's own website (workers.org) :


"On July 9 (1994), Workers World Party Chairperson Sam Marcy sent the
following statement to Comrade Kim Jong Il, the Central Committee of
the Workers Party of Korea and the State Funeral Committee of
President Kim Il Sung." :


"Dear Comrade Kim Jong Il... Comrade Kim Il Sung devoted his whole
life to the Korean people's struggle for national self-determination
and the international working-class struggle for socialist
emancipation. With his leadership, the Korean people defeated the
Japanese colonial occupation and soon after brought about the first
defeat of the U.S. imperialist military machine....


Workers World Party values our close, comradely relations with the
Workers Party of Korea very highly. We are proud to have known Kim Il
Sung as a great leader and a comrade in the international communist
movement. And it is with the most profound sense of loss that we mark
his passing. Yet it is also with the greatest revolutionary optimism
that we are confident that Comrade Kim Il Sung's legacy will live on
with your efforts to win new victories for the Korean people.... With
comradely solidarity, Sam Marcy Chairperson, Workers World Party":
(see link for details)
http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/sam94/1994html/s940721.htm


From wikipedia.com:


The WWP has organized, directed or participated in many coalition
organizations for various causes, typically anti-imperialist in
nature. The International Action Center, which counts many WWP
members
as leading activists, founded the Act Now To Stop War and End Racism
(ANSWER) coalition shortly after 9/11, and has run both the All
People's Congress (APC) and the International Action Center (IAC) for
many years. The APC and the IAC in particular share a large degree of
overlap in their memberships with cadre in the WWP. In 2004 , a youth
group close to the WWP called Fight Imperialism Stand Together (FIST)
was founded.
(see link for details)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers_World_Party

And here's old (democrat) Charlie Rangel again with terrorist
attorney
Lynn
Steward and International Action Center (IAC) leader Ramsey Clark, at
the Workers World Party/Troops Out Now rally:
(see link for details)
http://www.workers.org/march19/index2.html


As for Bruce Kamiat's "moderate" political positions, he once
admitted
to me he attended an annual socialists scholars event at BMCC, a 2-
year community college I attended during the eighties. The event
included an indoctrination/propaganda campaign aimed at recruiting
young naive college kids into the socialist and/or revolutionary
communist movement. Kamiat also once stated that he went over to
communist Nicaragua during the eighties to 'see for himself' what was
happening there. Nothing wrong or illegal with any of this of course,
but it does take away a bit from his claim that he is a standard
liberal democrat. He also defended a so-called "anti-war" rally in
NYC
several years ago which was actually led by communist activist Leslie
Cagan, who is/was? the founder and co-chair of the org Committees of
Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism/CCDS. The CCDS is an
offshoot of Communist Party USA. Obviously, any group or individual
who supports "Revolution", such as the Cuban revolution, cannot
possibly be truly "anti-war". In fact ALL of the popular "anti-war"
coalitions around today were initiated by communist organizations. We
have:


United For Peace and Justice, chaired by the above mentioned, Castro
supporter Leslie Cagan.


Troops Out Now and A.N.S.W.E.R., both initiated and controlled by
Workers World Party leadership or 'former' leadership.


World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime, initiated and controlled
by the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP).



Bruce Kamiat <SN195...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Clabough accuses me of actual felonious acts (brandishing an
unlicensed firearm with menacing intent) and potential for deadly
violence. This is therefore far the
more serious of the two. There are three basic components to this
libel: that I threatened him with a gun; that I said "you never know
who we might shoot"; and that I said "don't approach me in the park
again," with various ominous implications he tries to attribute to
this entreaty."

I never mentioned anything about your gun being "illegal"
Anyway, here is exactly what Bruce Kamiat said in his message:


"By the way, don't approach me in the park again, Tom.
Just don't...".


And when I reminded the group of an earlier threat he made ("You
never
know who we might shoot!"), in which he included the following direct
link to a photo of
himself holding a gun while lurking in some decrepit old
hallway somewhere, he reissued the threat by saying,


"I'm glad you remember that, Tom. Keep it in mind."


Sound like "sarcasm" to you?


The photo, which had been in the group's file section, has since been
removed. And since John Pazmino rarely, if ever, removes content from
his group, I suspect that Bruce Kamiat himself removed the photo.


On Sep 3, 6:29 pm, Bruce <SN195...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



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