Re: I KNEW you' Merkans knew how to fix stuff:

On 4/21/2011 8:09 AM, Tim W said this:
"Upscale" <upscale@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Tim W" <tim.wnosp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
I am not an american so I don't know much about the background to this
mess but I gather from the replies that I hadn't misread or misunderstood
the account fictional or not.

I'm not an American either, but perhaps you should acquaint yourself with
the full story of this nut ball religious group before you comment on
whether someone deserved a beating or not.


No, no, no, no.

Nobody deserves a beating for speaking his mind. I don't care what kind of
nutball you think he is.

You are confusing the right to *speak* freely and the right to be *heard*.
You have a natural right to say whatever you wish so long as your
speech is not threatening or fraudulent. However, this does not mean
you have a right to make people listen to you.


A place where a bunch of thugs publicly beat up people they don't like and
nobody is arrested, nobody complains and everybody thinks it is a joke -
that is sicko country.

This is what happens when government abdicates its primary role of being a
defender of liberty. Invading a private event like a funeral - even just
with sound - is an act of *force*. It's effectively forcing someone to
listen to you whether they wish to or not. This is very different that
writing, publishing, or otherwise speaking your mind freely wherein
potential listeners have the ability to walk away.

When government doesn't do its job, the citizens themselves are forced to
step up and do it instead. That's what happened here. It's not a great
alternative, but it's all that's left. Conceptually, it's the same thing as
shooting an armed intruder because law enforcement cannot or will not
prevent them for entering your home.

The real irony here is that - thanks to the ideological loons running
Western culture - every wingnut's right to be heard is effectively being
upheld by government passivity, but people that voluntarily wish to
participate in traditional religious expression are forbidden doing so by
that same government.


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