Re: O/T: What's Next?


"Tim Daneliuk" <tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Methinks you're missing his point. The issue is not primarily people
defrauding government programs (though that is surely *a* problem, no
different than in the private sector). The issue has to do with the
inherent nature of tax-funded programs - they apply to everyone who
"qualifies" whether they pay taxes or not.

A scenerio of pay your money and get your stuff is realistically a store and
not a Government......

Private companies can avoid this by not granting benefits to people
who don't pay for one of their insurance policies. But government-run
programs provide coverage based on "class" (age, socio-economic
standing, gender, and, sometimes, even race). There are inevitably many
class members who pay nothing but get program benefits.

And a society that does not care for those in need is better because?
Historically and/or simply world wide why are the most productive and
successful countries those with more social programs than those with little
to none? Should the aggregate whole produce and have less merely based on
your principle of self reliance first and last?



They do this
entirely *legally*. In so doing, the non-contributors burden the
system to the detriment of the contributors.

Are you missing the purpose?....a big pool of people with some swimming,
some treading water and others being furnished a life jacket.......the
pooling of resources, abilities and talent makes for a stronger whole. If
private voluntary charity is good (you seem to be a strong proponent) why
would a country whom cares and provides for those less fortunate not be good
as well? When my kids were home, while I much preferred voluntary household
contributions or efforts, mandatory chores were both needed and a price for
living here.

So, the contributor
is forced - at the point of the government's gun -

The gun thing is far more rhetorical than informational, even downright
irritating at times.....It is also far from unique to Gov. run social
welfare programs. Seriously refuse any Gov. mandate from military service to
seat belts and eventually you'll find a gun poking you where it shouldn't.

to participate
in a program (possibly against their will) AND pay for other people
who contribute nothing.

The price of admission.....and also seriously dwarfed by current and past
fiscal disasters....one might even argue that welfare queens are much
cheaper to keep than our cherished wallstreet types.


Somehow in the Do-Gooders Lexicon, this
qualifies as a noble act.

It is...without doubt the majority of citizens wish to pool resources and
provide for the elderly, those in need and the disabled. Ultimately a
serious justification for any sovereign country is to fulfill the will, the
needs or even the whim of the populous...... why else would it exist?

I find that alone astonishing and
a searing indictment of how deeply morally corrupt the ideas of
the intellectual/political left have become...

Tim Daneliuk tundra@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

Indeed I'd think they often are but not for these concepts.....Rod


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