Re: OT: r - I thought you should see this

Mark & Juanita wrote:
nailshooter41@xxxxxxx wrote:

You guys take this election much to seriously.


Where the presidential election stands now, I would tend to agree. The
key is going to be the House and Senate. A socialist-leaning statist in
the White House coupled with a legislature controlled by similar leaning
socialist statists is going to lead to bad things happening, and those bad
things are going to trickle down.

Trickle? IF the Dems get control of the Congress AND the presidency, it won't be a trickle.


I don't see much difference between any of the candidates regardless
of the party or their affiliations.


Unfortunate, but true. The Republicans let the media pick their
candidate this time and the early primaries with significant cross-over
voting by dems and independents have pretty well set up a candidate who
could hardly be considered conservative.

I hear McCain made the mistake of actually calling himself a liberal Republican. I am beginning to think that conservatism died with Buckley.


It is odd to see the Democrats turn against Hillary, and the same
machine that made the Clinton duo media darlings practically ignore
her and her husband. Somehow they fell out of fashion with the press
and now it appears that the fourth estate has anointed Obama the heir
apparent.


It's a wonder to behold. The media is now starting to treat Hillary like
a Republican and the Clinton machine is stunned.

The press has never really liked Hilliary as a person, and I think that she has also made a lot of Dem enemies. But she was the leading (or at least A leading) Democrat so she got nothing but good press. But now with the ascension of the messiah . . .



After realizing how ineffective, lazy, self serving and sanctimonious
The House and The Senate are, I quit worrying as much as I used to.
It was just a year ago that my conservative friends were in tears
because the Dems were declaring that they "took back America" and the
first 100 days of their control would see sweeping changes to our laws
and country.

To date, the report of their changes is nil. Even with the most
unpopular president in history, they can't muster enough votes in
their own party faithful to pass significant legislation.


You better be grateful for that because the ideas they have in mind are
going to have some significant effects upon how you live your life.


My only hope is that if the Dems take control of the House, that the Reps can maintain control of the Senate (or vice versa). A deadlocked Congress would be better than either party having control. This, of course, is also hoping that the Reps would finally get some balls.


As for Bush, he is no conservative. I don't know what he aspires to,
or how he decided party affiliation. Even without the war budget, I
read that he has vetoed any piece of legislation that has spending
attached to it if it doesn't have unrelated crap attached. Money
flows from his hands like water.


Huh? He has vetoed maybe two or three pieces of legislation, max. That's
one of the problems, he has been way to willing to go along with whatever
gets sent to him. You are right, he is no conservative.


Amen brudda.

McCain used to be considered a moderate Democrat. Now he is a
Republican lefty. And take a look at Schwarzenegger; now fully
embraced by Dems, but increasingly rejected by Republicans because he
is driving up the debt of the state beyond the capability of paying
off even part of it by championing his own social programs, while
taking away from those he doesn't like.


That's one of the problems with the current leadership in the Republican
party, it is lacking the fortitude to actually take a stand for something. Instead, it is lettingthe left frame the debate, set the debate premises,
and then just apply "left light" to the problem.


Schwarzenegger has always been a RINO. His latest project seems to be another "peripheral canal" project that the voters of California have rejected three times already. And like Bush, he seems to be spending money faster than a drunken Democrat. When he was elected, he was one of the most popular governors the state has ever had. I would say that was mostly because he was a famous actor, but who am I to say. But ever since, his popularity has been declining. Just not enough to do anything about it. I think he may be in for a fight when it comes time for his re-election.


I too have noticed the winds of change blowing around Hillary. I
don't know why, as the Republicans haven't had much to do with it at
all. They aren't sure who they are fighting for the Pres job, and
with the Dems starting to hammer on each other, they don't have to do
much at this time. I can't see where Hillary's message or politics
have changed, so I am left to guess that Obama became the favorite of
the press behind closed doors somewhere, for some reason.


Seems like a number things have affected this. Hillary herself is just
plain not likeable as born out by various polling numbers. She comes
across as manipulative and opportunistic. She really hasn't *done*
anything (besides making a great deal of money in some shady deals) upon
which she could be thought to have the qualifications for the office she
seeks. She is not credible, you can't tell at any time whether she is
telling a lie or the truth; she has been caught in so many lies (out and
out lies, not the kinds of things that the left flings at Bush and calls
lies -- hers are real lies). What is amazing is that the media used to
look at Bill and marvel at how well he was able to tell lies -- the media
adored him. Hillary isn't getting the same free pass.


Now the messiah has come.

In the end though, I don't know that any of it matters. I will go to
work, pay my taxes, and get up the next day and do it again. The
politicians don't, and have not represented me in so long I don't
remember.


No, but they can certainly affect your life. They can deem you one of
the "rich" and raise your taxes or take away your deductions. They can
deem that the materials with which you work are carcinogenic or
not "carbon-neutral" and ban those materials, making you use something that
costs more, is less readily available, and will in the end reduce the
number of total units you will be able to produce or sell because you can't
get enough material, assemble it efficiently, or raise your prices to the
point some of your customers won't be able to afford your products --
driving down your total business. Don't underestimate the power of
statists to affect your quality of life. These are real impacts, not some
silly thing about being worried about your phone calls to Afghanistan or
Pakistan being monitored.


But with our presidential choices, that will happen regardless of which party you vote for.

For those that can't sleep at night because of the political climate
(from which ever way the wind blows- left to right, right to left), I
feel bad for you. I was like you once... no more.


Not losing sleep over things I can't do anything about. But I'm not
becoming apathetic either.


Same here. Just don't know what I can do about it. A vote for President seems kinda useless at this point. Choosing between a bowl of cat *** or a bowl of dog *** isn't much of a choice. I'll have to agree that the only thing we can do now is work more on House and Senate candidates.

I sure did think if Rob though when I saw that pic. I though it was
funny.


It was. Not just the picture, but the fact the press printed it. The
bloom has definitely gone off the rose.


If it is real, it would be amazing that the press printed it. Even with the coming of the messiah. Maybe . . .just maybe. . .someone in the press has a sense of humor. Maybe just didn't catch it? Or maybe it was totally on purpose.

Some of the folks around here are just as old, cranky and mean as any
of the denizens here, you just don't see it because you are on the
other side of the fence.

Lighten up.

Robert

One certainly has to approach this with good humor.


I am old and cranky, but each of us will have to define "mean" in our own way. Some will think that the socialist leanings of the left are mean while others will think that the "anti-socialist" leanings of the right (if there is still such a thing) are mean.


Well, my grand daughter is screaming for me to come to her birthday party so I gotta go. (She's 4).

Wayne
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