Re: request

Nova wrote:

B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:54:29 GMT, spambait@xxxxxxxxxx (Doug Miller)
wrote:


While that may be the case in the trades, my experience professionally
(as a programmer and software engineer) would suggest the opposite: that
only rarely is a newly-minted college grad placed into any sort of
supervisory role. Rather, supervisors are typically promoted from within
the ranks of competent workers


Not at the Fortune 50 company I, and at least one other participant on
this group, work for.

20-something MBA's are "fast tracked", where they never spend enough
time in one spot to have their actual effects measured. By the time
the "improvements" take effect, they're long gone. I am not a rank
and file hourly employee, but someone in a high enough place to see
far enough to know how clueless some of these "stars" are.

On the other hand, some of our rank and file folks actually take
overall compensation cuts, once benefit costs and overtime pay is
accounted for, to accept a "promotion". More and more of the
excellent employees are taking a pass on management, creating more
opportunities for the off-the-street manager.


I worked for a number of those... some were really good. They usually
quit as they realized they could do better elsewhere.

For a short time I had a 24 year old plant manager (second level) who
had a total of three years with the company. The first day in our
office was the first time he had been inside a telco central office.

We had a lot of fun with that one!

After about eight months on the job was again promoted.


Thus far, where I work this has not been the case. OTOH, customer
relationships are a huge part of our business, you don't get and keep
contracts without a well-established track record and good contacts. One
example, a number of late-30's early-40's people were in a conference room
prior to a meeting in which customers would be present. The senior
customer walked in the room, looked around at the people chatting with each
other (this was about 10 minutes prior to the meeting, so nothing was wrong
with that), muttered "Where are the @#$% adults?" and walked out until the
program senior manager came into the room.



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If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
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