Re: HANDY FARM DEVICES

The Mark & Juanita entity posted thusly:

>On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:08:53 -0600, Oleg Lego <nucknuck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>>
>>That's because you didn't enclose the string in quotes.
>>Try the same phrase in quotes and you'll find it returns 4 (Yes, only
>>4 (four)) hits, and ALL of them are relevant.
>>
>
> That may be the case, but by enclosing that in a quote string would
>preclude hits that include things like:
>Operator Manual for Tractors: John Deere 40, 50, 70, 420, 520, 720
>Tractor operator manuals: John Deere 420U, 420W, 420T
>Manuals for sale, tractor operating, John Deere 420

Well, to me, that falls under the general category of using the tool
correctly. If you are trying to saw wood, a file will work, but it
isn't the best way.

> All of which would have been relevant but would not have met the strict
>quoted search criteria. I have done searches like that only to have *no*
>results returned. Loosening the criteria by one or two words, or
>permutations of those words is both time-consuming and often results in a
>step increase in results (as in from none to 10,000+)

It's an art form. Combining exact phrases with single words can result
in excellent filtering, as can specifying "without" words and
limiting the search to title only, text of page only, etc.

Hmm.. you ARE using "Advanced search", aren't you?

>>Methinks you are too hard on Google.
>>
>
> The above was offered as one simple example of why Google search results
>are becoming problematic. It was not meant to be all-inclusive. As I
>indicated above, yes, one can really tighten down the search criteria by
>requiring exact matches to quoted strings, the problem with that is that
>one then may miss something that is completely relevant but misses by only
>one character. OTOH, when submitting a search request to find *all* of the
>words in one's search, getting results in which only 80% of those words are
>visibly present for the searcher is a signifcant source of the data
>overload. Whether that is due to the web site spoofing the keywords with
>the html source code, or Google returning results that include those words
>on referenced pages in the search result doesn't matter to the end user, he
>is still overloaded with data.

See comments on limiting search to certain parts of a page.


Larry
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There are 10 kinds of people --
those who understand binary, and those who don't.
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