Re: This is awful

Why should anyone drill in the ANWR. There is not enough oil to make a
difference in terms of the public, so it's purely a profit motive for
some corporation. Why in hell should that carry any clout whatsoever
when making policy?

This is similar to me asking you to drill a hole in your backyard, and
you say, "ok, I'll let you drill that hole, but first scrape off the
*** your dog left on my lawn".


In article <6hQyf.17327$SD1.5362@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Brian Foster
<brianfoster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Great example, look at ANWR. Maybe not so much oil but also not so much
> potential for environmental disaster. ANWR could be a great tool to bargain
> with and that's what politics is all about. You let them drill in Anwr
> (safely) in exchange for cleaning up some place like Narragansett Bay or The
> Houston Ship Channel. You negotiate a compromise that benefits the most
> people.
>
> No one is willing to compromise and that is why the environmentalists are
> seen as fanatics.
>
>
> "Paul Braunbehrens" <bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> message
> news:150120061547518166%bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Brian, let's look at one environmental issue. Drilling in the ANWR.
> > By all accounts, there is only enough oil down there to float us for 6
> > months. Now go look who voted for it and who voted against it. Like
> > it or not, it IS largely a partisan issue. It's simply a fact that the
> > R's are largely pro big business, and that means pro pollution. It's
> > really pretty obvious, why don't you take some time and really look
> > into it.
> >
> > BTW, I won't support any candidate who doesn't pull their weight when
> > it comes to the environment, be they R's D's G's or whatever. I let
> > them know about this, usually when a key issue comes up I let them know
> > that if they vote the wrong way on this one I will never vote for them
> > again, no matter what.
> >
> > Unfortunately people seem a lot more bothered by who is screwing whom
> > then by what's in the water they drink and air they breathe. I can't
> > figure it out, but that's the way it is.
> >
> >
> > In article <fhtyf.3296$1J1.2543@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Brian Foster
> > <brianfoster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> We can agree that I'm not a bad guy.....
> >> What was the crack about shrimp & lobster. Lots of shrimp caught here on
> >> the
> >> gulf coast and aside from buggering up the occasional turtle in the trap
> >> what is so "bad" about them.
> >>
> >> BTW, they put things called TEDs in the nets that do a pretty good job of
> >> letting the turtles out.
> >> And Red Lobster? The New England coast is full of lobstermen and I'll
> >> admit
> >> it's a tough life but so is fishing in general.
> >>
> >> I like Alito just like I like Roberts. They are there to interpret the
> >> law
> >> not make it and think these guys get it. Not like the dimwit in VT who
> >> gives
> >> a multiple rape convict 60 days because he doesn't believe in punishment
> >> anymore. WTF is up with that. SF has some of the most liberal and often
> >> overturned judges in the country.
> >>
> >> The politicians make the laws and the judges interpret/enforce them.
> >> That's
> >> the way the system works.
> >>
> >> We can all agree that pollution sucks. I'm getting pretty fed up because
> >> I've been seeing it with my own eyes since the late 70s and it looks like
> >> no
> >> one has made progress toward it. There have been Reps and Dems around the
> >> whole time and NO ONE did the job.
> >>
> >> Abortion, gay marriage, taxes, they make great headlines and serve to
> >> divide
> >> the population pretty quickly but I think they pale in comparison to the
> >> issue that we are putting really toxic disgusting stuff in our waters. I
> >> write letters to politicians and maybe that's just pissing in the wind.
> >>
> >> I don;t support the extreme environmentalists either because they are too
> >> anti progress and anti business. There is usually a place in the middle
> >> we
> >> can agree on. Gotta have business, gotta have progress, need new
> >> technology,
> >> lets use some of the new technology to help clean the place up. Don't let
> >> the P&L *** stop if you are putting tons of toxic crap in the air or
> >> water. There is more work to do.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Paul Braunbehrens" <bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
> >> in
> >> message
> >> news:140120061613360327%bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > No need Brian, most politicians pledge to "clean up the environment",
> >> > but quickly realize that in order to stay in power they can't piss off
> >> > the corporations too much, so then they enact some bill that "looks
> >> > good", while actually gutting the current law. Can you say "clean
> >> > air"?
> >> >
> >> > I really don't think you're a bad guy, Brian, I just think you don't
> >> > get it.
> >> >
> >> > Look at Alito's record, he's helped many times when big corporations
> >> > got caught polluting or wanted to pollute. Yet you think he's great.
> >> > It just doesn't make much sense.
> >> >
> >> > It's one thing to gloat because you're on the winning team, but when
> >> > that team starts laying tracks over your kids future, maybe it's time
> >> > to get off the bandwagon. Just a suggestion.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In article <pVcyf.12636$SD1.6214@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Brian Foster
> >> > <brianfoster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> One party keeps pollution alive and well?
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul, has anyone ever sat you down for the Santa Clause/Easter Bunny
> >> >> talk?
> >> >> You gotta take a look at some of those core beliefs....
> >> >>
> >> >> Three cheers for Sam Alito!!! Stunning defeat for Kennedy, Biden and
> >> >> the
> >> >> rest of the idiots.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wow, an evil president, evil corrupt politicians, a stacked supreme
> >> >> court..........
> >> >>
> >> >> Man we are on a roll! Bring on Hillary!
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul, ......... what was that noise? Are you packing up the truck and
> >> >> moving
> >> >> to Alec Baldwinia?
> >> >>
> >> >> Don't go yet. Calm down and get your wits about you.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll make you a deal. You run for office and make cleaning up
> >> >> pollution
> >> >> your
> >> >> campaign promise and I will vote for you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hell, I'll even contribute to your campaign fund. Until you play the
> >> >> Barbara
> >> >> Streisand music....
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Paul Braunbehrens" <bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:120120061040592726%bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > First you help the party that keeps pollution alive and well. Then
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > bitch about pollution.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Grow up, Brian. Your action have consequences. Deal with it. No
> >> >> > amount of polemic is going to change that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As for Alito, are you kidding? This guy comes down 8 times out of
> >> >> > 10
> >> >> > on the site of Corporate America, when it is challenged by
> >> >> > individuals
> >> >> > or even the EPA. His excuse? Well, the lower courts were right,
> >> >> > judges
> >> >> > usually are.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So then it is pointed out that the average for judges is 50%, or 5
> >> >> > out
> >> >> > of 10. His excuse for being so much more biased than other judges?
> >> >> > Well, *I* follow the law. Meaning, those other judges are wrong.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So which is it, are most other judges right or wrong most of the
> >> >> > time?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wait, I know the answer. When they are for Corporate America, they
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > right, when they are against Corporate America, they are wrong.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Phew, that was easy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your buddy Alito has already proven that he will defend big
> >> >> > polluters,
> >> >> > yet here you are, complaing about pollution in the same thread that
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > defend him.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > God damn, Brian. I really think you should just STFU.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In article <RWtxf.6575$SD1.316@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Brian Foster
> >> >> > <brianfoster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Paul, do you see everything through the prism of politics?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think there are some things that should rise above the fracas of
> >> >> >> partisan
> >> >> >> politics. As I said in an earlier post, this pollution thing has
> >> >> >> been
> >> >> >> around
> >> >> >> long before Newt Gingrich or the Bush Admin.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The petro plants here in TX have been around since before W was
> >> >> >> born.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Get over the election (the 2,000 one) and move on. I'll admit I
> >> >> >> busted
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> balls with the crack about Halliburton being the cause of the crap
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> saw
> >> >> >> outside of SFO but my point was that it's not a political thing
> >> >> >> because
> >> >> >> both
> >> >> >> the Dems and the Reps will not tackle the subject.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why do you always jump on the politics of a situation.? You're a
> >> >> >> liberal
> >> >> >> democrat and by definition that means you are warped. I think you
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> capable of overcoming your handicap and may someday be able to
> >> >> >> think
> >> >> >> rationally. You may be able to contribute to the greater good.
> >> >> >> Fight
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> impulse to be liberal, you can overcome it man! It's a beautiful
> >> >> >> world
> >> >> >> here
> >> >> >> on the other side :)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> BTW, your buddies Biden and Kennedy are doing a great job with
> >> >> >> Alito.
> >> >> >> Do
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> think they will ever get around to asking a question or will they
> >> >> >> just
> >> >> >> keep
> >> >> >> talking to confirm how stupid they are?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Happy sailing and watch out for the Republican pollution. The
> >> >> >> Democrat
> >> >> >> pollution is ok, but the Republican stuff is really nasty......
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but you can be such a dope
> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> times.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Paul Braunbehrens" <bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> >> wrote
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> message
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> news:110120061851427279%bakaliteatmacdotcomignorethispart@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > That's pretty funny, Brian. Right up there with Newt
> >> >> >> Gingrich
> >> >> >> > bitching
> >> >> >> > about the Bush regime.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You guys made the punch. Now drink up.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but it's a little hard to
> >> >> >> > take.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In article <5Qhxf.6304$v05.2632@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Brian
> >> >> >> > Foster
> >> >> >> > <brianfoster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3579189.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
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