best way to xfer super-8 to digital? super-8 film auto-film scanners?
- From: "Mad Scientist Jr" <usenet_daughter@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 26 Jun 2006 07:43:12 -0700
What's out there for transferring super-8 at high res to editable
(lossless format) digital?
I remember there was some sort of "auto feed" frame by frame scanner
for super-8 being sold for about $1200, but this was 5+ yrs ago.
From: Paul H. Cotto (paulc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Super-8 film scanner project I am working on!
View: Complete Thread (9 articles)
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Newsgroups: alt.movies.cinematography.super8
Date: 2001-06-26 06:20:41 PST
I just got a " CMOS-PRO" digital camera off eBay for $200.00 (lists new
for
$1900.00) that I am going to turn in to a digital film scanner. It uses
a 10
pit per pixel CMOS sensor rather than a CCD to pick up the image.
Resolution
is 800X1000 and it captures images directly in to a tethered PC as 4 or
8
megabyte TIFF images. I am going to use a tiny Toshiba Libretto I have
as
the capture PC. I have a super 8mm projector gate I cannibalized that I
will
use to transport the film. I will be using a Nikon macro bellows
coupled to
a C-mount to Nikon lens adapter aimed at the Super-8 gate. The light
source
will be a cold cathode type from a 35mm slide viewer. I hope to use a
stepper motor or a servo motor with a gear reduction to advance the
film
which will be triggered by the cameras PC flash cable. the tuff part is
automating the process with the twain driver that came with the camera.
It
requires you to manually save each image. I will post an update when I
am
finished.
Regards,
Paul Cotto
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From: black_angus1@xxxxxxxxxxx (black_angus1@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Super 8 film scanner (was: Update on K-25 in Super 8
Cartridge)
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Newsgroups: alt.movies.cinematography.super8
Date: 2000-10-15 11:50:07 PST
The Kodak RFS 3600 is a 3600-dpi 35mm film scanner. In order for a
Super-8 scanner to be truly useful, it will have to support at least
3000DPI. A Super 8 film frame is .224" wide x .166" tall -- that means
at 3600 DPI, you'd get a scanned image of approximately 800x600. At
3000 DPI, you'd get approximately 640x480, which would be appropriate
for some video cards, but you'd have to re-size it to 720x480 for DV
video use. It'd be better to use the 3600 DPI to get 800x600, then
extract a 720x540 frame from that 800x600, and re-size that down to
720x480.
I think the overall goal, here, obviously, is to scan Super 8 directly
into DV for editing purposes. What would be needed is an 8-bit 3600
DPI scanner... no need for 12-bit scanning because DV is an 8-bit
format. It would have to be able to handle automatically advancing the
film, and create a numbered sequence of still images (or, if someone
wanted to take just a little bit of effort on the software, it should
be very easy to program it to scan directly into a DV .AVI file).
If Kodak would produce something like this, or Clive Tobin
could "wizard" something out of an existing RFS-3600, I'd gladly buy it
and make it available as a service bureau for everyone.
C'mon, Kodak, let's have it!
In article <B60F236B.5121%purut001@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Cemil M. Purut" <purut001@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
KODAK has just released the RFS 3600 film scanner which uses no carrier and
is capable of scanning an entire roll of 35 mm film at 4000 dpi. This
scanner may be easily modified with a Super 8 transport mechanism which may
allow direct-to-digital scanning. Just a thought.
Cemil
From: "Hugh P. Reilly" <hughie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Newsgroups: alt.movies.cinematography.super8
Date: 15 Oct 2000 12:32:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Update on K-25 in Super 8 Cartridge
A device to be sold. Really the technology is already there, like I said
before with their APS film scanner. It would just need a reel on each end
and maybe a higher res scanner. If it was made to do 8, super8, and 16, it
would have a big market. If for nothing else, all the millions of feet shot
20 to 60 years ago where no one was satisfied with their transfer.
-Hugh
P L wrote in message <39E956E1.A2CEF6A7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
If Kodak provided super8--->DVD or something similar via an inhouse film
scanner, I'd jump all over that. I doubt that they would get in the business of
taking in spliced film for transferring. Then they would have to deal with
inadequate splices, post-striped film (good or bad), sound film, etc.
Would this be an in-house deal, or something they would create to be sold?
Search Result 99
From: me (me@xxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Ddigitizing my Super 8 movies
View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.dcameras
Date: 1999/09/14
The answer to your dilemma depends mostly on how much time/money you
want
to spend on saving your old movies.
If you don't mind spending money but don't want to spend much time,
there
are
companies that will do the transferring for you. Check with you local
higher
end
(ie not places like wal mart) camera/video store if they'll do it or
give
you a
referral for someone who will. They'll be able to give you at least a
video
tape
of it, if not both video tape and CD.
If you don't mind spending some time and a little bit of money, you can
get
a
scanner with a transparency adapter that'll take 8mm film and then
spend the
weekend scanning the individual frames into your computer. Then there
are
lots
of freeware/shareware programs that can assemble sequences of images
into a video. This method will probably give you the best results as
you'll
be
able to scan the images in at a higher resolution than just using a
video
camera. Remember, even though 8mm film is small, its resolution is
higher
than what you'll get out of a video camera (unless the mold has eaten
up too
much of it).
Getting a video/web camera that can sync to an external trigger
(projector
light strobing) would be by far the most expensive route to go since
you're
talking professional equipment for something like that.
Doug Macpherson wrote in message <37ddd395@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
dark intervals. Is there a digital camera that would respond to the
Do any of you have this problem? Have any of you attempted to do anything about it?
My old movies are going bad, moldy I think.
I think I can save them if project them, then capture them with, say, a web-cam and copy
them to CD ROM or DVD. Just a few minor problems. As you know, movies actually alternate
still frames and dark screens. I want to capture the movies and not the
light
and take pictures then?
The movie camera advances the film with a solenoid. Is there a camera that would respond
to the electrical signal or the mechanical motion of the solenoid, and do it 16 time per
second for an hour at a time.
Yes, I can probably clean up the mess by running the data through my Vedit editor but
checking each scan line to see if it is black, then replacing it with the same line from the
previous frame doesn't thrill me, even though I can automate the task.
Oh, if I do get this working should I tell you?
Doug M.
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From: Paul H. Cotto (paulc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Super-8 film scanner project I am working on!
View: Complete Thread (9 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.movies.cinematography.super8
Date: 2001-06-26 06:20:41 PST
I just got a " CMOS-PRO" digital camera off eBay for $200.00 (lists new
for
$1900.00) that I am going to turn in to a digital film scanner. It uses
a 10
pit per pixel CMOS sensor rather than a CCD to pick up the image.
Resolution
is 800X1000 and it captures images directly in to a tethered PC as 4 or
8
megabyte TIFF images. I am going to use a tiny Toshiba Libretto I have
as
the capture PC. I have a super 8mm projector gate I cannibalized that I
will
use to transport the film. I will be using a Nikon macro bellows
coupled to
a C-mount to Nikon lens adapter aimed at the Super-8 gate. The light
source
will be a cold cathode type from a 35mm slide viewer. I hope to use a
stepper motor or a servo motor with a gear reduction to advance the
film
which will be triggered by the cameras PC flash cable. the tuff part is
automating the process with the twain driver that came with the camera.
It
requires you to manually save each image. I will post an update when I
am
finished.
Regards,
Paul Cotto
Search Result 1
From: black_angus1@xxxxxxxxxxx (black_angus1@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Super 8 film scanner (was: Update on K-25 in Super 8
Cartridge)
View: Complete Thread (14 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.movies.cinematography.super8
Date: 2000-10-15 11:50:07 PST
The Kodak RFS 3600 is a 3600-dpi 35mm film scanner. In order for a
Super-8 scanner to be truly useful, it will have to support at least
3000DPI. A Super 8 film frame is .224" wide x .166" tall -- that means
at 3600 DPI, you'd get a scanned image of approximately 800x600. At
3000 DPI, you'd get approximately 640x480, which would be appropriate
for some video cards, but you'd have to re-size it to 720x480 for DV
video use. It'd be better to use the 3600 DPI to get 800x600, then
extract a 720x540 frame from that 800x600, and re-size that down to
720x480.
I think the overall goal, here, obviously, is to scan Super 8 directly
into DV for editing purposes. What would be needed is an 8-bit 3600
DPI scanner... no need for 12-bit scanning because DV is an 8-bit
format. It would have to be able to handle automatically advancing the
film, and create a numbered sequence of still images (or, if someone
wanted to take just a little bit of effort on the software, it should
be very easy to program it to scan directly into a DV .AVI file).
If Kodak would produce something like this, or Clive Tobin
could "wizard" something out of an existing RFS-3600, I'd gladly buy it
and make it available as a service bureau for everyone.
C'mon, Kodak, let's have it!
In article <B60F236B.5121%purut001@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Cemil M. Purut" <purut001@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
KODAK has just released the RFS 3600 film scanner which uses no carrier and
is capable of scanning an entire roll of 35 mm film at 4000 dpi. This
scanner may be easily modified with a Super 8 transport mechanism which may
allow direct-to-digital scanning. Just a thought.
Cemil
From: "Hugh P. Reilly" <hughie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
Newsgroups: alt.movies.cinematography.super8
Date: 15 Oct 2000 12:32:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Update on K-25 in Super 8 Cartridge
A device to be sold. Really the technology is already there, like I said
before with their APS film scanner. It would just need a reel on each end
and maybe a higher res scanner. If it was made to do 8, super8, and 16, it
would have a big market. If for nothing else, all the millions of feet shot
20 to 60 years ago where no one was satisfied with their transfer.
-Hugh
P L wrote in message <39E956E1.A2CEF6A7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
If Kodak provided super8--->DVD or something similar via an inhouse film
scanner, I'd jump all over that. I doubt that they would get in the business of
taking in spliced film for transferring. Then they would have to deal with
inadequate splices, post-striped film (good or bad), sound film, etc.
Would this be an in-house deal, or something they would create to be sold?
Search Result 99
From: me (me@xxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Ddigitizing my Super 8 movies
View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.dcameras
Date: 1999/09/14
The answer to your dilemma depends mostly on how much time/money you
want
to spend on saving your old movies.
If you don't mind spending money but don't want to spend much time,
there
are
companies that will do the transferring for you. Check with you local
higher
end
(ie not places like wal mart) camera/video store if they'll do it or
give
you a
referral for someone who will. They'll be able to give you at least a
video
tape
of it, if not both video tape and CD.
If you don't mind spending some time and a little bit of money, you can
get
a
scanner with a transparency adapter that'll take 8mm film and then
spend the
weekend scanning the individual frames into your computer. Then there
are
lots
of freeware/shareware programs that can assemble sequences of images
into a video. This method will probably give you the best results as
you'll
be
able to scan the images in at a higher resolution than just using a
video
camera. Remember, even though 8mm film is small, its resolution is
higher
than what you'll get out of a video camera (unless the mold has eaten
up too
much of it).
Getting a video/web camera that can sync to an external trigger
(projector
light strobing) would be by far the most expensive route to go since
you're
talking professional equipment for something like that.
Doug Macpherson wrote in message <37ddd395@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...
dark intervals. Is there a digital camera that would respond to the
Do any of you have this problem? Have any of you attempted to do anything about it?
My old movies are going bad, moldy I think.
I think I can save them if project them, then capture them with, say, a web-cam and copy
them to CD ROM or DVD. Just a few minor problems. As you know, movies actually alternate
still frames and dark screens. I want to capture the movies and not the
light
and take pictures then?
The movie camera advances the film with a solenoid. Is there a camera that would respond
to the electrical signal or the mechanical motion of the solenoid, and do it 16 time per
second for an hour at a time.
Yes, I can probably clean up the mess by running the data through my Vedit editor but
checking each scan line to see if it is black, then replacing it with the same line from the
previous frame doesn't thrill me, even though I can automate the task.
Oh, if I do get this working should I tell you?
Doug M.
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