Re: Computer Interface for VC2 Board

I am not going to agree or disagree with you on whether or not gray market is
illegal. I do not know if it is or not.

I will be redundant, notice that I am not saying that gray market is legal, I
am saying that I do not know if it is legal.

In reference to US residents purchasing programming from providers outside the
US, I know of no legislation or FCC regulations that prohibit this ... and I
have searched for info about this repeatedly. I have seen statements at the FCC
web site that say that it is not illegal to receive foreign content in the US,
but these statements are very ambiguous. They make no mention of receiving
(purchasing) subscription programming.

I have contacted the FCC more than once and have asked them. They never
replied. A friend of mine has a contact inside the FCC, he has asked his
contact 2 or 3 times if gray market is illegal in the US, he also has never
received and answer.

I have also repeatedly done searched for info concerning Canadians purchasing
grey market programming. The only info I can find the mentions of grey
marketing via signal piracy, which clearly is illegal, and a few references pf
civil (not criminal) lawsuits in which Bell Expressvu sued DBS grey marketers,
this usually *but not always) also in conjunction with signal piracy.

I have found no instances of any Canadian marketers for big dish programming
being arrested or sued. I have seen no references that come close to saying
that anything other than DBS grey market is illegal. It is almost as if
Canadian big dish does not fit into the formula. But this also may only mean
that the number of gray market big dish subscriptions that may exist in Canada
is not significant so BEV, SC and the authorities are not concerned about them.


Examples of the type of info I find when searching for Canadians using gray
market are below.

The Radiocommunication Act and the Grey Market
In Canada, the DTH grey market refers to the sale and marketing of American DTH
satellite receivers and subscriptions to American services in Canada. The grey
market creates a number of difficulties for Canada. For example, it undermines
Canada's broadcasting policy for a distinctly Canadian broadcasting system, as
well as undermining jobs and growth in the Canadian broadcasting industry.

The Radiocommunication Act Section 9(1)(c) states: "No person shall...decode an
encrypted subscription programming signal or encrypted network feed otherwise
than under and in accordance with an authorization from the lawful distributor
of the signal or feed". This section of the Radiocommunication Act has been the
subject of recent court challenges involving retailers who sell American DTH
satellite receivers and services in Canada. This resulted in confusion due to
differing judgements rendered regarding the interpretation of section 9(1)(c).
A Supreme Court of Canada decision in the case of Bell ExpressVu v. Richard
Rex, made on April 26, 2002, confirms that provisions in the Radiocommunication
Act forbid the illegal decoding of satellite television programming.


1. Is it true that it is legal to import an American satellite dish?

If a satellite dish system is imported and intended to be used for unlawful
decoding of encrypted signals, as prohibited in section 9(1)(c) of the
Radiocommunication Act, this constitutes an offence under section 10(1)(b) of
the Act. It is illegal to use an American DTH satellite service (also referred
to as grey market) in Canada to receive and decode encrypted programming. Doing
so is in contravention of section 9(1)(c) of the Act.

http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/canada/radiocommunication-excerpt.html contains the
section of the Radiocommunication Act mentioned abpve.





Government of Canada Applauds Supreme Court Decision in the Case of Bell
ExpressVu vs Richard Rex
OTTAWA, April 26, 2002 - Industry Minister Allan Rock and Canadian Heritage
Minister Sheila Copps welcomed today's Supreme Court decision confirming that
provisions in the Radiocommunication Act forbid the illegal decoding of
satellite television programming.

"Today's Supreme Court decision helps preserve and ensure a strong and vibrant
Canadian broadcast industry," stated Minister Rock . "This is a blow to those
pirates of the airwaves that are selling or distributing illegal equipment
designed to steal satellite T.V. programming."

"The Supreme Court's decision supports the government's commitment to put an
end to signal piracy and grey market activities. It clearly is a gain for the
integrity of the Canadian broadcasting system," said Minister Copps. "These
illegal activities undermine the rights paid by Canadian broadcasters and put
at risk investments in Canadian programming that create jobs for Canadian
writers, performers and others involved in production."

The Government of Canada, in cooperation with the Canadian broadcasting
industry and law enforcement authorities, will work to stop the selling and
distribution of devices designed for the unauthorized decoding of satellite
television programming.

The Attorney General of Canada intervened in the case and presented arguments
that Section 9(1)(c) of the Radiocommunication Act protects both Canadian and
foreign signals from unauthorized decoding.




"kryppy" <kryppy@.> wrote in message
news:gan8k1lrdfc53m1spsf68sjce8a131a9sq@xxxxxxxxxx
| On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:44:53 GMT, "DRLev" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
|
| >So fucking what?
|
| They weren't bothered by pirates, why should you be.
|
| >
| >That is no reason to steal the signals. I said that I have not respect for
| >thieves. I also am not buying into the lame ass excuses given for stealing
| >signals.
|
| Thieves are bad, but gray marketeers are ok. LMAO. Both are crimes.
|
| >I never said that signal theft effected subscription prices. So nothing you
| >have said was directed at any arguments I have made.
| >
|
| Ummm, ok.
|
| >How does it hurt me if some jerk in New Jersey car-jacks a person's car?
.....
| >It doesn't !!! ... But that doesn't indicate that it was OK for the jerk to
| >steal the car.
|
| Nice analogy. Real good comparison you have going there.
|
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >"kryppy" <kryppy@.> wrote in message
| >news:dsj6k1hg0kn895upt6ebk1dkfho5goe4pp@xxxxxxxxxx
| >| On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:31:46 GMT, "DRLev" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
| >|
| >| >Being that you have chosen a the name of Florida cannabis as a screen
name
| >do
| >| >you actually think that I care what you babble about ?
| >|
| >| Seems you care enough to reply, even if it does nothing to support
| >| your argument or present any facts to dispute what I have said.
| >|
| >| HBO, Showtime, ESPN and so on didn't switch to VC2
| >| so none of the price increases can be tied to piracy.
| >|
| >| Have a nice evening.
| >|
| >| >
| >| >
| >| >"kryppy" <kryppy@.> wrote in message
| >| >news:0g36k11qg02ebgc9p7ld4kg4p1opp7452r@xxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:11:41 GMT, "DRLev" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
| >| >|
| >| >| >My assessment of you is correct. You are a sniveling ***.
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| Gawd damn, how does his not paying for HBO hurt you so much anyway?
| >| >| It's not like he was going to pay anyway. Sheese even Dishnetwork
| >| >| knows piracy translates into more subscribers. I like the TV shareware
| >| >| concept. Just like Winzip.
| >| >|
| >| >| >"Doug" <roachdf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >| >| >news:Gcw0f.1920$R4.256995@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| >| What a clever response!
| >| >| >| Turn on your spell-check, stupid.
| >| >| >|
| >| >| >| "DRLev" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >| >| >| news:y4w0f.12858$Q53.10307@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| >| > Hey dip***
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > The only point that you have is tithe one on top of your head.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > Your arguments are blown out of the water and you are too much of
a
| >| >coward
| >| >| >| > to
| >| >| >| > admit it.
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| >
| >| >| >| > "Doug" <roachdf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >| >| >| > news:giv0f.3768$2F2.450009@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| >| > | You have proven my point.
| >| >| >| > | In your own words:
| >| >| >| > | I will admit to being an ***, in fact I am proud of it.
| >| >| >| > |
| >| >| >| > | What a shame. I hope that by the time you are old enough to vote
| >you
| >| >| >| > mellow
| >| >| >| > | out a bit and learn how to deal with adults in the real world.
| >| >| >| > |
| >| >| >| > | No reply is required, it would probably just be a string of
| >| >obscenities
| >| >| >| > or
| >| >| >| > | more nonsense anyway.
| >| >| >| > |
| >| >| >| > | "DRLev" <me@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >| >| >| > | news:_uo0f.10125$Q53.2580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| >| > | > Logical discourse ???
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > Hehehehehe
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > That's a good one.
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > Satellite transmissions do not fall into the same realm as OTA
| >| >| >| > signals.
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > According to both US and Canadian law signal theft is illegal.
It
| >| >does
| >| >| >| > not
| >| >| >| > | > matter how any of us feel about it, it is against the law.
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > I will admit to being an ***, in fact I am proud of it. I
| >have
| >| >| >| > | > absolutely
| >| >| >| > | > no respect for thieves of any kind. I have no respect for
people
| >| >that
| >| >| >| > | > whimper,
| >| >| >| > | > whine or snivel because they have been told "No" they cannot
have
| >| >what
| >| >| >| > | > they
| >| >| >| > | > want for free. The satellite uplinkers pay good money to lease
| >| >signal
| >| >| >| > | > space.
| >| >| >| > | > Some of them do not encrypt, and some of them do. When people
| >steal
| >| >| >| > those
| >| >| >| > | > encrypted signals they are thieves.
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > And as far as the name calling and becoming personal ... I
don't
| >| >give
| >| >| >| > a
| >| >| >| > | > rat's
| >| >| >| > | > ass how you feel about it. If you don't like it that is plain
| >tough.
| >| >A
| >| >| >| > | > person
| >| >| >| > | > that assists a thief in their efforts is no better than a
thief.
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > You like the word "logical" for some reason. It is a shame
| >because
| >| >you
| >| >| >| > | > have
| >| >| >| > | > absolutely no idea what the word means. I will repeat this
again
| >| >using
| >| >| >| > | > different words. You are a rationalizing, sniveling ***!!
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > "Doug" <roachdf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >| >| >| > | > news:8J80f.2135$2F2.215117@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| >| > | > | Don't bother asking questions like that in this group.
| >| >| >| > | > | These guys think they hold the secret of life and only have
| >smart
| >| >| >| > ass
| >| >| >| > | > | answers for anybody that is not part of their little group .
| >| >| >| > | > | Try some of the other newsgroups and I'm sure you will find
the
| >| >info
| >| >| >| > you
| >| >| >| > | > | need.Good hunting, The truth is out there.
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | >
| >| >| >| > | > "Doug" <roachdf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
| >| >| >| > | > news:c%n0f.3673$2F2.415953@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
| >| >| >| > | > | Again you avoided discussing the issue and resorted to name
| >| >calling
| >| >| >| > and
| >| >| >| > | > | making this personal.
| >| >| >| > | > | If we go back to the original posting in this thread, We
will
| >see
| >| >| >| > that
| >| >| >| > | > the
| >| >| >| > | > | question was
| >| >| >| > | > | Where can I get info. on how to make an interface to enter
the
| >| >seed
| >| >| >| > | > | codes and codes for a chipped VC2 board via computer? I
heard
| >you
| >| >| >| > can
| >| >| >| > | > | do that quite easily also what is the latest version of the
| >| >autoroll
| >| >| >| > | > | is it 6.54? Is there a website that specifically caters to
the
| >| >VC2
| >| >| >| > | > | hacking?
| >| >| >| > | > |
| >| >| >| > | > | You didn't have to respond or make nay comment at all.
| >| >| >| > | > | But, because you feel that it's your God given right to be
| >better
| >| >| >| > than
| >| >| >| > | > | anyone else, you decided to put in your two cents worth.
| >| >| >| > | > | Logical discourse is wasted on you
| >| >| >| > | > | I have tried to engage you in a discussion but you refuse.
| >| >| >| > | > | I guess things must be pretty busy in your mother's
basement!
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| >| >| >| > | > | FYI I am a subscriber to a Canadian service.
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