Re: AutoGK Subtitle Problems


"Goro" <evilninjax@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Ken Maltby wrote:
"Bob" <spam@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 00:00:39 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Bob's stated position is that the software is defective if it doesn't
function in the manner he expects it to.

I would like to see you prove that absurd allegation. You can't.

My stated position is that "software is defective if it doesn't
function in the manner it claims to."

AGK claims to convert DVDs that have subtitles into AVIs that have a
subtitle. There is no restriction mentioned in the specification that
says you cannot use clips made from DVD Shrink or that they must be a
certain length or the sync will be lost.

Since his subtitles play when the .ifo file is included, but not
when played from the .vob; the subpicture stream must be
referenced/played to see the subtitles. This is how DVDs
work.

I always reference the IFO when I use AGK. That's what the
specifications require.

I know that this is the correct way because AGK shows the subtitle
name ("English") in the Subtitle dialog. It also states that it has
prepared the subtitle in the Log.

You can't add subtitles to an AVI file.

AutoGK can.

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http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN

If you want burnt in subtitles, then choose your subtitle track. The
default setting is for burned in or subtitles embedded into the video
(i.e. you cannot switch them on or off dynamically). If you would
prefer to have external subs, then check that box in Advanced
Settings.
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It's a limitation of the format.

Have you ever used AGK with subtitles? Have you ever read the
tutorial?

You have to keep them as a separate file or use an OGM or MKV
container.

You clearly do not understand what the author of AGK means by "burnt
in subtitles". RTFM.

So to play back there is a file (.srt or one of several others)
included with the .avi, and it's the player that adds the subtitles
during
playback.

That's how SimpleDivX works. You must include the separate subtitle
files in order to see subtitles with your AVI. But even with subtitle
files, SimpleDivX also fails to convert them properly with clips made
from DVD Shrink.

The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over the
video,

Now you are making up terms that contradict the ones used by the
authot of AGK.

He says you can have "burned in or subtitles embedded into the video".
You are using this new term "subtitles over the video".

If you know so much about this stuff, why don't you get the source
code from the author and pick up where he is leaving off. But that
begs the question of whether you know how to program.



You twist and distort my post, just like you twist a program
into knots till you find a way it doesn't work. This is not the
first thread you have done this little dance. You claim that
"AutoGK (has) Subtitle Problems" but you admit that it handles
a complete conversion with no problems, and it is only where
you have chopped up the streams that these "problems" develop.

The terms I used, in no way contradict the authors terms. I said
that: "The other way to do it permanently applies the subtitles over
the video, and the subtitles can't be turned on or off." This is a
description, not a naming contest. Both the author's terms and
mine are meant to convey the fact that the "subtitle" text is made into
a permanent part of the image, and not a selectable feature, as in a
DVD.

The AVI container cannot mux a Subtitle stream. The OGM and
MKV containers can. For the playback of an AVI video to include
a selectable Subtitle there must be additional files and the player
must be able to use those files to add the Subtitle during playback.

AutoGK has to convert the DVD's subpicture stream and the
indexing that plays the subpicture image of text, at the correct point
within the DVD's own indexing. Chopping up pieces of MPEG
changes the indexing/reference points involved. Within the DVD
this navigation data is maintained in more than one place and they
must all match. It would come as no surprise to hear that a program
would have difficulty extracting only part of the streams and trying
to piece together the continuous video of the movie with the not so
continuous subtitle.

Just because you can find a way to make a program fail, doesn't
mean there is anything wrong with AutoGK, that would effect a
normal person's use of it. And this is what your posts are always
about. You never want to examine ways to accomplish a task,
just gripe about how the software can't jump through the hoops
you conger up.

Ken

I find Bob somewhat tiresome to listen to. He's the kind of newbie
that learns just a bit to be able to spout off bordeline correct but
cumbersome statements that people can't quite understand. Since he's
really unwilling to do anything more than a "1-step" process, it's
almost pointless to discuss anything with him.

-goro-


Why are you guys still wasting your time with this complete loser? I
shitcanned his posts weeks ago. Now if I could just convince a few of you
to quit responding to him, I wouldnt have to see ANY of his posts anymore.
Help a guy out, will you please?

;)



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