Re: Newbie questions


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On Aug 28, 5:01 pm, "Ken Maltby" <kmal...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Dewittian" <dewitt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Aug 28, 3:25 pm, Dewittian <dewitt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



On Aug 28, 2:54 pm, Dewittian <dewitt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm still pretty new with Sony Vegas Movie Studio 8 and am having
computer problems. I could use some direction.

I have a audio tract added to the audio and video tracts that are
synced up from the capture. I use Sonar audio program to do a lot of
things with audio .WAV tracts such as make Pan and Gain envelopes. Is
there any way to add envelopes in Vegas audio tracks including the
track that came with the capture?

Also, is there a way to get the audio and video tracks to stop
synchronizing when I move them, split them etc...?

Just one other thing. I'm trying to loop a section of the film that's
only a few frames long. I can split the tracks using the arrow keys
to get to just the right spot but how do I turn them into loops so I
can drag the loop out to repeat about 10 times?

Thanks,

OK I get the audio envelopes but still can't figure out how to un sync
the video from audio. Also, after I've split a track with the 'S' key
how do I sew them back together again? Or is that something I'll
never need to do?

Still can't figure out how to get a loop cut out of the piece. I can
drag the mouse over the section I want and play the loop but how do I
cut that out of the piece and make it a repeating section to re-
insert?

Actually what would be even more cool would be to get the looped
section to play forward then backward like when you find 2 frames and
use the left and right arrow keys to toggle back and forth between the
frames. On fast moves between the 1st and second frame it's pretty
cool looking. Anyone know of an effect to do that?

Until someone using your NLE and version replies, you could
consider how a timeline works. Also, that you can select a portion
of the material on a timeline and copy it as many times as you wish.
Most editing program suites let you reverse the playback of selected
portions, on the timeline, as well.

Your NLE has some easy way of breaking the association of tracks
on a timeline, including having separate audio and video tracks.

A timeline is, by definition a linear display, "loop" on a timeline is
just
where material is repeated on the timeline. You can't have an "infinite
loop" on a timeline, you would need an "infinite timeline".

So, a loop in your production is just a matter of your editing, of you
copying the same portion of material over and over onto a later portion
of the timeline. All under your complete control. If you want to reverse
every other portion, go right ahead.

Luck;
Ken

The way it works in audio programs is when you loop something you just
drag the right handle out as many times as you want it to repeat.
I've never seen an infinate loop. I just wish someone in this group
who know Sony Vegas know how to reverse sections, create a loop if
possible, and knows how to separate the audio and video tracks.

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First a little housekeeping;

1. A direct E-mail to someone like me, who is replying to posts in a
thread, is not productive as it removes a part of the discussion from the
thread. Which means others won't have all the information and perhaps
someone with the perfect reply wouldn't have even seen the latest question.

2. Adding your question onto an existing thread has it's pitfalls.
Especially
if it is an old thread. Even more so, when the thread subject has such a
broad application. Few are going to notice the addition. It would have
been much more effective if you had started a new thread with a more
specific subject line.

Actually Vegas (like the Magix Video Editing programs) have there
roots in audio editing and should be more comfortable for you than
some other editing programs.

In your e-mail you asked me to describe how such things are done
using another NLE, in the hope that it might have application to your
NLE. I can do that, but you should understand that what I described
in my last post applies to all NLEs.

As I have Magix Movie Edit Pro 14+ on this system I will use that.

Like most such programs, a lot of the built-in tools and functions can
be accessed by right clicking on the individual tracks. This should bring
up context sensitive options for whatever is in that track. Once you have
marked a selection, the options should relate to what can be done with
the selected material.

A modern consumer NLE will also have a number of other ways to
access these tools and functions in addition to the right-click. The most
often used (according to the developer's opinion) will be available from
labeled or "iconed" buttons prominently displayed. There is always a
basic set of tabs across the top of the active window, starting with the
"File" tab in the top left conner. Under them are often Icons that provide
a quick access to common functions, most programs will provide a short
description of the Icon's function on mouse-over. There will also be
keyboard shortcuts/key combinations for many (if not all) functions.

In Magix Movie Edit Pro 14(MEP14), the track association (as relates
to manipulation in the editing program) is called "Grouping". When an
audio/video (A/V) file is added to the timeline, both video and audio
tracks are created/used. They are by default "Grouped" and selecting
one will highlight both tracks. Since this is an often used function there
are prominent Icon tabs (a piece of chain, one linked and one with links
separated ) amoung a row of such Icons just above the timeline display.
Also; clicking on the "Edit" tab in the upper left will provide a list of
options including both "Group" and "Ungroup". There is also the key
combo Ctrl-L for "Group" and Ctrl-M for "Ungroup". These
commands work on the selected/highlighted tracks.

[ There should be a listing available for the keyboard shortcuts that
your NLE uses, if not in your documentation then on the internet.]

There are a similar set of options to split up an existing portion of the
material on a track (or grouped tracks) into separate selectable
objects. You have posted that you have this down already.

Again there are a number of ways to duplicate/copy an object that
is on the timeline. There are all the options described for "Grouping"
and what I find simpler is to just hold down the Ctrl key and drag
the selected object to another track. This creates a copy of the
object. To make your loop, just drag down as many copies as you
need.

Now that you have the separate objects, you can apply your
video effects to them, as needed. If you want to reverse the video
play of every other loop element you could just copy down two
iterations of the object, instead of all that you will need.

Then Ungroup the audio and video of one of the copies, and
select/highlight the video track of that object.

Then right-click the object's video track and select "Video effects..."
or use the "Video Object Effects" options under the "Effects" tab to
bring up a "Video Controller/Realtime Visual FX Editor" tool".

[ Your NLE's documentation will describe how to access the
video object effect features and tools that it provides for.]

In the "Play Speed" section there is a button with a minus sign and
a back arrow. Click that to reverse the selected video play. Click
"OK" to leave the tool. The selected/highlighted video track should
now have "Reverse Play" next to it's title.

Hold down Ctrl and click on the object's audio track to have it
selected as well, then "Group" the two back together.

Now you can just copy the objects back to your main track and
form your loop, using the reversed objects where you want.

Luck;
Ken




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