Re: MAGIX: Couple more editing queries


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



It's very easy to reproduce. Import 2 still images, A and B.
Immediately save the movie as MPEG (Alt+c). My settings are:
MPEG-2
Video: 720x576; 25.00 Frames/s; 16:9; Quality 10
Audio: 48000 Hz

The resultant MPEG plays fine.

Re-import into MEP as a new movie. Here, the timeline now shows a
short scene from Slide A at the *end* of the movie. If left, that
renders with the incorrect clip (about 8 frames) still present.


I'll check that out, (I wonder if VideoReDo would fix
that? It could, if it is really a GOP issue.) [BUT, as a
general rule I would make my intermediate exports as
uncompressed AVI]



Just did a quick try, but my MPEG2 of two stills is
fine as a new movie in MEP - no extra frames at the
end. I'll try a few more times, maybe I just got lucky
with this try. It could be that I am using Version 12,
as well. Don't see how it could be a PAL/NTSC
thing, but who knows.

Thanks for trying anyway. Just in case the different result is down to
the MPEGs, here's the one I made, TEST-2photos-1.mpg (9 MB):
http://www.speedyshare.com/361990584.html

The result I see here when I import that is MEP-MPEG-Quirk1.jpg (27KB)
http://www.speedyshare.com/628750766.html

I've emailed a 'support ticket' to MAGIX.

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

I downloaded your "TEST-2photos-1.mpeg" and tried to
find the extra frames using MEP12, Ulead VideoStudio 10+,
VideReDo TVSuite, VDubMod 1.5.10.2 build 2540, the
GSpot VGS display, and MPEGanalizzatore V1.1.6, but I
don't see any. This suggests to me that the problem is
occurring when it is being added back into MEP11.

Yes, I think that's almost certainly true. All my programs (NLEs,
players, utilities) process it normally. My aim in posting it was only
to see what happened when you imported it into MEP. But you're
confirming it looks OK in your MEP-12, with no displaced frames at the
end. So it looks increasingly like a bug in MEP-11 (UK) that Magix
have fixed in v.12. I emailed them last night. (With difficulty; their
English ticket support system is erratic, often failing on Send, or
sometimes suddenly switching to the German page).

Most of the above show 498 frames of actual images out
of a 500 frame total for the file,

I had just assumed my progs were all seeing exactly 500 frames, as
GSpot reported. It's interesting to learn that you found exceptions,
so I've now checked thoroughly too:

VideoRedo Plus 2.5.6.512: With slider at its end, the counter says
'00:00:19.23', so I take that as 475+23 = 498

VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2: Shows 'Frame 500', but that is presumably not
a real frame (the window is empty, not black). First frame = 0 and
last visible frame = 499, so I take that as 500. And that's confirmed
by File | File Information.

VirtualDub-MPEG2 1.6.19: Hmm, I was about to say 'ditto'. But one
oddity is that, although File | File Information says 500, the 'final'
frame is now not empty. It displays the hotel, like the others in that
clip. So at first glance I might have read that as 501.

Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD 4.0.4.104: Reports 500 under 'Clip
Information' but with slider at end (in either the input monitor or
the output monitor), the counter reads 00:00:19:24. Starting frame is
00:00:00:00, so that implies 499

TDA 1.6: Under 'Chapter cut edit' it reports 499. Although with slider
in end position (showing 499/499 and 00:00:19:24), the section of the
'timeline' above a greyed out '00:00:19:24' is white, and the clip to
its immediate left is shorter than the others and unnumbered, however
that's meant to be interpreted!

Movie Maker 2: Clip Properties shows a duration of 00:00:20.00, but
with slider at end the counter is '00:00:19.97' which presumably means
MM2 uses a different format, and works out close to 499.

Anyway, although an interesting side-issue (leaving me puzzled about
the inconsistencies), none of these showed any displaced frames.

are these 8 frames in addition
to the 498?

Not sure!

In MEP-11, Object Properties reports the clip as exactly 20 s,
implying 500 frames. The start frame is shown as 00:00:00:00. As I
drag the slider to the end, slide B (the hotel) is displayed in the
monitor. At the very end the counter reads 00:00:19:24 (implying the
500th frame), and the monitor shows the correct picture, slide B, the
hotel. If I go one frame further, the monitor is now black, and
counter reads 20:00 If I now press the left arrow key once, the
counter becomes 19:24 again, but the monitor now displays slide A (the
Eiffel replica). I can press it a total of 8 times, displaying the
Eiffel, and on the 9th it returns to displaying the hotel, with
counter at 19:16. If I now press the *right* arrow key, instead of the
Eiffel re-appearing, the hotel remains displayed right through to the
end again.

The behaviour in between slides A and B seems correct. Stepping back
leftwards, beyond the wrong frames, the first time I see slide A (the
Eiffel) the counter shows 00:00:09:24, frame 250, exactly 10s.

If you cut them out and save the movie/project
then reload the movie, are they gone or does it recreate the 8
frames all over again. (That would indicate that it is in the way
MEP11 is reading the source video.)

I exported the trimmed file (Smart Rendering was enabled) and GSpot
reported 492 frames, as expected. After re-importing, the same problem
remains. But now there seem to be 11 not 8 frames from slide A at the
end! Starting at around 19s, I step rightwards a frame at a time. The
last time I see the Eiffel the counter says 19:15, implying 490+1 =
491 frames (instead of 492). The next step right displays black, at
19:16. I now step back and can do so 11 times, displaying the Eiffel
every time. On the 12th, with the counter at 19:04, the hotel returns.


It still would be interesting to see what happens if
you just make the cut and then save the movie/project
not exporting or rendering yet. It should reload with
the 8 frames gone, it sounds like it might reload and
find more frames; depending on where/during which
process, the frame references become corrupted.

I can't really figure this out, from here, as it seems
to be a problem with the version you have. Did you
see this problem in the e-version?

As they say, go figure!

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK


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