Re: IDE vs.SATA HDs

On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:26:05 GMT, "Jona Vark" <noemail@xxxxxxx> wrote:

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>"willbill" <trek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Mike Fields wrote:
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>> > "Steve King" wrote
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>> >>"Jona Vark" wrote
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>> >>>. You can recreate the install of the OS and all of the apps and
>drivers
>> >>>and all.. no need to write that to a back up ..
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>> >>>All you ever really need to back up is irretrievable data.
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>> >>>Acronis Drive Image? Imperative?
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>> >>>naw.. that's overkill.
>> >>>You must be paranoid.
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>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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>> LOL!
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>> >>You may be discounting (or not considering) the time factor. The other
>> >>inconveniences and costs of backing up the system drive and application
>> >>software are worth it to people who cannot or do not wish to devote the
>> >>hours to reload, reupdate, reinstall, etc.
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>> >>Steve King
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>> > One issue that sort of got overlooked is the system configuration. If
>> > it is mostly a generic system, then it is fairly easy to get back with a
>> > clean install. If it is more extensive (video editing, visual studio
>with
>> > patches etc + all the little utilities many of us have around), then it
>may
>> > take days (if ever)
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>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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>> "if ever" is exactly right!
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>> not to mention that it's stressful
>> and a total PITA
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>> fwiw, i believe very little of what this
>> Jona Vark dude (dudette?) has said on the
>> important issue of backup
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>And right you shouldn't. It isn't advice.. I am just stating what I do
>around here with 12 PCs and a hell of a lot of data. If I actually had to
>back up each and every one of them I wouldn't have any time to work. So the
>best solution is to isolate replaceable data such as programs, sdks,
>upgrades from irreplaceable data. Never the twain shall meet.

I say again, use a competent logger to find out what really
happens to your C: drive during an install. Be particularly aware of
spyware or similar apps which, if placed on your C: drive and wiped
out by a system reinstall, can keep the associated apps which you
recover from running (absent a complete reinstall of the app and its
little friends.

> Even with
>comnplete failures of root volumes I have no problem getting back up fairly
>quickly. Sure it might be a little quicker with Ghost but if you think about
>the effort to deal with ghost on a lot of machines.. its not worth it.
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>Never save ANYthing on the root drive. Don't use the local projects folders
>for apps installed on the root drive.
>Save every single relevant download in a downloads folder. I burn CDs of
>downloaded apps with their serial numbers and a copy of the email receipts I
>got when they were purchased online.
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>Set system restore points religiously
>I do not use Microsofts conventional maze of directories for anything. If
>something ends up there which does happen,I did not put it there, so it is
>likely to be some cookie or other crap that MS wants there..
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>I am in awe of the rediculously large number of files that usually exist on
>our PCs. I had a sasser attack on my machines only yesterday. three of them
>aquired the virus.During the virus scans I noticed some 100,000 files on my
>machine. Mostly crap from IE and MS's dearth

100,000 is far from a "dearth".

> of files kept from installs,
>and just about anything you touch on the web. I long for the days when
>porograms didn't reach out of their directories to store files in other
>places. And the OS didn't generate an endless list of worthless *** on your
>HD.
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>I certainly think it is complete overkill to have extra drives to backup
>root drives to.
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>This is NOT advice. Just a solution I finally arrived at.
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>> on the issue of the OP's subject title,
>> IDE drives have no present disadvantage
>> (performance wise as well as the robustness
>> of the connectors) and continue to be
>> a better choice (imo) as a current boot
>> drive (on recent mobos) and especially also
>> for "dropdown" use of the HD with older
>> PC mobos you may have
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>IDE drives have a couple of major disadvantages.
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>The cables are not shielded and emit noise bigtime.
>The cables interrupt AIR flow bigtime and are nearly impossible to run well
>without having extra length .
>Sure.. they finally came up with the round ide cables bit who wants to run
>40 wires when they can run 5 or 6.? Too late I'm afraid.
>As far as the robustness of the connector.. That's the very thing that makes
>bending pins so easy if they are not removed correctly. And there are no
>pins to bend on the SATA cables.
>They are slower. 150mbps vs 100/133mbps
>They are hot swappable.
>NO JUMPERS!
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>oh.. the other disadvantage is.. they'll be impossible to get in 18 to 24
>months.
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>dude.. dudette.. dud. Whatever.
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>> bill
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>> > to get back to where you had it "tweaked" to.
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