Re: Why are foreigners who have never set foot in the US obsessed with how much and how we spend and how we spend our bucks on our excellent health care?



"John Kulp" <john_kulp@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:33:24 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

John Kulp writes:

You're saying that just visiting an ER in the US costs a thousand
dollars? That's absurd.

True. It hasn't been that cheap in quite a while.

A completely stupid comment


Just where do you get that from? If your
indigent, it costs nothing by law btw.

What qualifies as indigent, and which law do you have in mind?

Someone who can pay. By definition. The law covering this was passed
well over 20 years ago and is posted in ERs saying they can't refuse
to treat you if you can't pay.


People are, indeed, going overseas for various medical situations but
so are they in Europe. Look at all those Eastern European dental
trips for example.

Not really. The prices are reasonable in Europe, when there's anything to
pay
at all.

Yes really, as others have already confirmed. And dental prices are
outrageous in many Western European countries. I know lots of
Europeans that do this.


They are also taking a BIG chance is doing so. Where they will have
no recourse for botched procedures, no knowledge of infectious
condiditons and all the rest.

Is there a reason to believe that top Indian hospitals will both
procedures or
infect their patients with greater frequency than the U.S.?

Yes. A lot. We keep statistics on this by the government which are
becoming more and more readily available so you can see which
hospitals have what success rate in which specialities. Where is this
for India in any credible form?


People can do what they want, of
course, but these overseas systems, including Europe, are hardly
perfect.

The U.S. system isn't perfect, either, and it's a lot more expensive.

No system is perfect for sure, BUT there is a lot more cutting edge
research being done here than anywhere else including lots of
experimental procedures. And with all the taxes and subsidies there
are in Europe, I don't believe there is any realistic way of comparing
them anyway. That being said, I would go to Europe a lot faster than
I would India for anything serious.


Long waiting lists ...

Where?

Britain, Scandinavia to mention a couple. Canada in North America.
It's so bad that they now offer private insurance for you to get
around it, so you get to pay twice not once ifyou want it in a timely
manner.
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In Sweden there's a guarantee for the waiting list. If you can't get
surgery in reasonable time you're free to visit any other hospital including
hospitals in other EU countries and the health system is paying for that.
No need to pay for a separate private insurance. Think the same applies
to most EU and EES countries.


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