Re: How can I defend myself against reclining airplane seats?

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:43:45 -0500, mnc@xxxxxxxxxx (Miguel Cruz)
wrote:

>js <jonathansmith99@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>> and triumphantly claim that you've found a parallel.
>>
>> Damned right. You want special treatment - be prepared to pay the
>> extra freight. Extra leg room cost extra money. You want more leg
>> room? Fine - pay for it.
>
>I don't want more leg room - I'm satisfied with what they gave me. It's only
>when you try to take that away (which doesn't work because my knees are in
>the way) that the question becomes interesting.
>
So when I recline, you DO want more room even though you say that you
are satisfied with what they gave you. FWIW anyone above age 5 that
is satisfied with the amount of room in typical coach seating only
fooling himself.

>>> What you've actually done is engage in a wishful-thinking exercise about
>>> how other passengers should spend lots of money to make you more
>>> comfortable.
>>
>> No. Not make me 'more' comfortable buut rather allow me access to the
>> minimalistic comfort that the airline provides ME - and that is the 2
>> inches of recline.
>
>The minimalistic comfort that the airline provides me is the space between
>the seats when I got in the plane. In any case, if you actually recline 2
>inches (at the top) you'll receive no complaints from me.
>
>> Its part of the price of my ticket
>
>Can you show me where this is detailed in the Conditions of Carriage? Or is
>this just another spurious assertion?

I can't agree with the other poster stating that it is in the contract
of carriage. However, I have received information both verbally and
via e-mail that my preferred carrier, Delta, will not permit anyone
onboad to interfere with or prevent another passenger from using the
full capabilities of his seat.
>
>>>> You don't want the windowshade open? Fine - sit by the window and
>>>> close it. You don't want to recline? Fine, don't. You don't have
>>>> enough room to sit comfortably? Fine, upgrade.
>>>
>>> You don't have enough room behind your seat to recline comfortably? Fine,
>>> upgrade.
>>
>> Don't complain when I recline and ram your knees.
>
>Been there, done that. My knees are tough. Your seat won't move past them,
>and I won't cry when you try. If you wait until I go to the bathroom or
>something and then do the sneak recline, get ready for a bumpy ride, because
>I'm not going to make any special efforts to avoid jarring your seat
>(efforts I am otherwise extremely conscientious about).
>
Guess you should angle you legs to the side so you can fit into the
seat or buy a bigger seat.

>>> See how that works? This discussion can go on and on in the same
>>> circular pattern forever.
>>
>> No Miguel, it won't. You are a jerk if you think that you have the
>> right to keep me from reclining because you iopted to go cheap and buy
>> a ticket in a class of service whjere you know full well you will not
>> fit conmfortably.
>
>But you're not a jerk if you think you have the right to recline into
>someone's knees because you opted to go cheap and buy a ticket in a class of
>service where you know full well you may not fit comfortably?
>
>I'm quite comfortable with - and aware of the potential for conflict with -
>my position but it appears you are stuck in denial on yours.
>
>> But I'll tell you something - you play the knee game with me, you'll end
>> up the loser.
>
>Haven't lost yet, with about 150,000 miles a year. I've been through this
>plenty of times. Most people are pleasant enough to work out a compromise
>(partial recline, trade seats, whatever). In the rest of the cases the
>flight attendant has always come up with a solution that left me
>comfortable. Not sure about the other people.
>
>> The room into which my seat reclines is room allocated to my seat, not
>> yours.
>
>You can repeat that until the day you die and it won't be any less false
>than it is now.
>
>> Just like the romm under the seat in front of you is your space, not mine.
>
>No, that's entirely different, because the airline explicitly assigns that
>space. Just because they assign some space doesn't mean you get to pick out
>a bunch of other space that you'd also like and lay claim to that too. You
>have no special rights on the luggage bin over your seat, or on the shared
>armrest between you and the person next to you, or on the space behind your
>seat. You have to work your usage of those out with the other passengers who
>share your interest in them.
>
>>> The only solution is through compromise.
>>
>> The solution is respecting others space.
>
>That's a great solution in cases where there is specific space assigned to
>specific people. The rest of the time (e.g., armrests), you have to work it
>out with them. I'm not given to making psychiatric diagnoses on Usenet, but
>if you're unable to comprehend that, in this case I'm going to suggest you
>may have a touch of the ol' sociopathy.
>
>>> Announcing that you deserve access to a shared resource more than others,
>>
>> The space that is occupied by my seat is not shared space. It is my
>> space. What makes you think it is shared? When was the last time you
>> had someone sit in your lap on a flight?
>
>Not long ago, but I hardly see what that has to do with anything. I am not
>offering to sit in your lap.
>
>>> just because you prefer to recline, isn't going to result in any
>>> solutions.
>>
>> You will have my seat as reclined as I want to make it - and if you are
>> too tall to be confortable, then you have a choice - deal with it,
>> change your seat to a bulkhead, or upgrade. You want to ask me not to
>> recline, fine, ask. If I say no, then you are sol.
>
>We'll see.
>
>miguel

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