Re: Evolution - 1990s Fastest Serves


"arnab.z@gmail" <arnab.zaheen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sep 29, 4:49 am, "RuPEDski" <datacip...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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robin wrote:
On 28 Sep, 01:53, "RuPEDski" <datacip...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Patrick Kehoe" <pke...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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It's s de-evolution. In 1974 at ONE event, the 1st and 2nd fastest
servers
clocked at 148mph and 142mph. Of course they had better fitness than
the
slobs today and cool wooden racquets.

WHAT A BUNCH OF RETARDS IN THIS THREAD.

How were those speeds measured?

I've never believed those serve-speed figures from years ago. They
just
don't pass the common-sense test.

Hell, Bill Tilden was credited with a 163mph serve in 1931, and that's
ridiculous.

I agree, that is ridiculous and that particular figure was done with a
ballistic chronometer which is unreliable at best. The figures from the
event I mentioned were done with high speed camera through a grid which
many
argue is more accurate than radar. I think that it probably is at least
in
some regards. It probably is more reliable than radar though the
validity vs
radar is an open question. That is however, just ONE of the important
points
being totally missed by the dimbulbs here. Even common sense has shown
radar
to be extremely unreliable. You're on the right track!

You are missing the larger point. But let's get somethings straight.
What do you think was the average serve speed of top/big servers in
the 1970s or 1980s? Let's have it, with sources if possible please.

DON"T YOU GET IT RETARD? How the frick many times do I have to post on this
subject in thread after thread. YOU are missing the larger point and in fact
ALL the points.

FIRST ON THE SUBJECT OF MEASUREMENT:
1.You cannot do comparisons across unstandardized measurement devices.
2.As a result of (1), there isn't really even a good way for me to answer
your question about average serve speed as idiots like you will immediately
start comparing the number with numbers you have from various "sources".
Indeed, I have a pretty good idea of the numbers involved, but this would be
of no use to you unless you then intend to "compare" them to others numbers.
This will undoubtedly be done poorly as you've demonstrated repeatedly that
the depth of your knowledge on the subject is extremely limited and you are
not truly interested or not truly able to learn more about it from me.
3.The very idea of "sources"....man! Don't you get it? There is no "source:.
NONE. Not as of this time.
4.We have no way to compare current sources of measurement empirically with
previous methodologies. However, some very intelligent people argue that
current devices are not particularly valid, they are almost certainly not
reliable. In any case, saying the "current sources" is in itself problematic
considering the varied sources being used now

ON THE SUBJECT OF AVERAGE SERVE SPEED:
1.I have repeatedly said that I think the average speed has gone up.
Marginally since the 1990's and a more significantly since the 80's and
70's. However, there were servers from every one of those decades who were
serving in the range of the fastest guys today, even they however did not
appear to go for their fastest serves as often, strategically the mindset
has changed significantly. However, there is little doubt that some of the
servers of the 70's were quite capable of hitting a serve among the top 10
fastest servers today. Perhaps near the top.

BEAR IN MIND RETARDS, that this is based only on the weighted synthesis of
all the knowledge and data we have today. We have NO WAY to make a
scientific comparison. Thus, it is only an opinion/interpretation based on
my experience in tennis and every bit of data we have accumulated on serve
speeds through history.

I cannot make this any simpler for you Arnab. If you still don't get it, too
bad. C'est la vie.


.

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