Re: Seles > Graf : Graf bloated record

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public knowledge of it all being relatively trivial by comparison.


BS. Are you really saying that having your family's dark and intimate
secrets splashed over front pages is not a major trauma?

You can't be this obtuse, can you? Obviously, if something bad happens to
your family, the overwhelming lion's share of the grief/trauma will be
experienced when you find out about it.


It depends. Do you think Graf didn't know her own father and was totally
shocked when she found out? Not necessarily.

Very little in life is 'necessarily', but what are the odds against it?

But all else equal, this would be the 'crushing moment'.


How do you know?

Because for 99.9% of all human beings, that would be the crushing moment - the
moment (and shortly thereafter) we find out some very appalling/bad news about
a loved one is obviously going to be the the most devestating time. If this
needs to be explained to you, you need a brain transplant.


Knowing her father as she did she might not have been a bit surprised.

None of us know for sure, but my position comports with the normal human
reaction in these situations. Now if you have evidence about how this
situation is abnormal and thus my position doesn't apply, then let's have it.
So far you have produced nothing.

The evidence is that Graf was winning all her matches, including a slam, early
in 1990.

heck, steffi was by that time a famous media personality, used to being in
the glare of the public eye, etc.


Not for anything like that.

wtf? Celebrities are used to all kinds of rumors, innuendoes, etc. being
tossed around about them.

So you conclude that the nature of the media attention makes no difference? How
ridiculous.

If this had happened in spring 1987 or somesuch, when graf was making the
transition between "no name" and "famous", then you'd have a point. But by
spring 1990 she'd been globally famous, and thus used to the glare of the
spotlight, for more than 3 full years.

I have a tape of a TV interview in which Graf was
asked about possible marriage to her boyfriend at the time, Michael Bartels.
Graf was so uncomfortable I could hardly watch it. She was > extremely
embarrassed and all she could do was meekly ask the interviewer not ask about
private
things.

first, one-on-one interviews are very different from tabloid blizzards,
because the former are, in the moment, personal. you are face to face with
another person asking questions about topics you'd rather not discuss. so they
will always elicit a much more personal, emotional response. that's why tv
producers like them. and note that this reaction has *little* to do with the
televised nature of the interview. what's most bothersome isn't that your
answer will be broadcast out to millions, it's that you have a single, real
person in your intimate space, directly asking touchy questions.

Rubbish. Do you think people answer questions in TV interviews the same way
they'd answer them without the cameras? Of course not. I've never seen a TV
interview yet in which it wasn't quite obvious that both parties are constantly
aware that they are being watched from the other side of the camera.

second, even if you are right about this, it undermines your other speculation
about graf not being bothered by her dad's sex romp when she found out about
it months earlier because she "knows her dad" and thus past experience had
made her numb to that kind of conduct.

Um, no it doesn't. My argument is about public intrusion into her private and
family life.

Nobody died.

So what?


So it's totally irrelevant. What does someone dying have to do with the
airing of a family's dirty linen?

it's an analogy. The broader point matters, not the details. You're reaching
max-level denseness here.

No, your broader point is completely irrelevant. In the past I would have added
"and you know it", but now I'm not so sure. You are displaying such
extraordinary ignorance of human behaviour and reaction to various situations in
this thread that I just don't know what to make of you any more.

Did you know that some people commit suicide when

some shameful secret about themselves becomes public knowledge?

Talk about an idiotic analogy: the 'secret' wasn't graf's shameful secret, it
was her dad's, which makes all the difference.

BS. It was her family, her own father

... who committed the embarrasing deed, not graf. As my pedophile analogy
shows, that makes an enormous difference in how people respond to public
revelation. it's the difference between being personally guilty and not being
guilty of the bad behavior.

Please stop mouthing these ridiculous theories - it's publicly embarrasing to
you.

Typical bluster when you're losing.


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