Re: Help my son was injured by another student



"aquachimp" <aquachimp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:2595ce28-a037-48b9-9333-7aebfb61456a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Jan 14, 10:10 am, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"aquachimp" <aquach...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Jan 13, 12:41 pm, "Duncan Heenan" <duncanhee...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> "Susant" <susan...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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> > Duncan --

> > Wow, I wasn't prepared those tirades above. I came to the group to
> > try to get a little support because I was a loss as to how to
> > proceed. Instead I get blamed as a greedy, pushy Mom!

> If it is 'support' you want, go and talk to friends who will only agree
> with
> your own views, not an unmoderated interner swimming newsgroup. If it is
> advice you want, then listen to it, don't abuse those who give it. You > may
> not be a pushy mother, but you certainly had me fooled!

At this stage, given her reluctance to follow up on the advice to
report directly to the police, I'm inclined to suspect that the
'injury' isn't any kind of big deal at all, and that she really knew
that all along, but hey, what an excellant opportunity to grab a bit
of attention.

She is however entiltled to slap down and reject a jerkoff reply.

But as for you Duncan, how come you've being unable to answer my
simple questions on the whole character building thing?

jeez, you sound like you've got a massive chip on your shoulder. Were
you soooo horribly bullied that you can't help but want to shovel it
around so that everyone can have a taste of what you had? Will that
make us all better people?
Clearly it hasn't done you any favors so the logic of that approach is
obiously flawed!







> > You know nothing about my son or our lives, how dare you be so
> > judgmental!

> If you only want people who know your son to comment, why come on an
> interner newsgroup telling us all about it. go an see your rabbi or
> whoever.

> > My son started swimming as a freshman ON HIS OWN with no
> > previous experience as a competitive swimmer. He just turned out to
> > be a natural and has come incredibly far. He won't be an Olympian,
> > but he could get into a better college instead of the local
> > university, which is all I can afford to send him to, and even then he
> > will need financial aid.

> Ah, so it IS all about money - your money.

Your chips are down?



> > He's not even sure he would wants to swim
> > NCAA, its tough, but to have that opportunity is a tremendous
> > accomplishment on his part. I tell my son every day that life is
> > about opportunities and by doing your best you give yourself choices.
> > What he does with those choices is up to him. Swimming has given him
> > stamina, muscles and toughness he never had before. It has helped him
> > become a disciplined, focused young man who is setting goals and
> > trying his best to achieve them. All things that will benefit him no
> > matter what he does.

> Apparently it hasn't yet enabled him to cut the apron strigns which bind
> him.

Was that what your mother did to you? was she your bully?





> > As far as money goes, this is going to cost me potentially thousands
> > of dollars and unlike England we have no Universal health care in this
> > country - SO SHUT UP.

> No. This is an unmoderated swimming newsgroup and you come on here for > the
> first time ever, whining about money. No I will not shut up.

> > I am not rich and money isn't everything, but
> > this expense will hurt my financial bottom line. Why shouldn't the
> > other family have to have consequences for their son's actions. My
> > son is certainly facing consequences for HIS action. I tell my
> > children all the time that all actions (intended or not) can have
> > unintended consequences and to think before they do something. Why
> > shouldn't this bully learn that lesson as well. I don't want to hire
> > a lawyer or file a lawsuit, but if I do want to protect my son's
> > rights and our family.

> Then call the police. It is a Police matter, not a swimming matter.

ah, good advice



> > Sure, we can't prove definitively that what this other teenager did
> > caused the injury. But, two days prior he was told by a medical
> > professional, the coach and his trainer that the tendons were swollen,
> > but probably no tear and to take it easy, kick board at practices, ice
> > + anti-inflammatory. Swimmers get sore shoulders, it happens. And
> > the shoulder was feeling better when this kid so thoughtlessly jerked
> > him over the table. Now he can' lift his shoulder above mid-line,
> > behind his head or behind his back and he can't swim AT ALL. The
> > decision as to the cause of the injury will have to be made by medical
> > professionals who's opinion will have to be weighed by the legal
> > system. IF we choose to file suit.

> The courtroom is akin to the casino. I wish you good luck, but the > Coach's
> testimony could lose you the case.

the gamble bit is true.



> > I won't touch the comment about living though my sons accomplishments
> > other then to say you should get a life. Do you even HAVE children?

> Yes I do, and grandchildren. All are swimmers, but because they love it,
> not
> because I forced them to do it.

Were you forced?

> One thing I have learned about children is that most of them turn out OK
> despite their parents, not because of them.

You being an example? (-:



> --
> Duncan Heenan
> (Speaking personally)

I couldn't answer your question because I couldn't understand it, it was too
obcure and convoluted. If you ask it again in a sensible and simple way I'll
try it.

Obscure, I take it means something you never thought off.

In any case, you said;
"Part of the character building nature of sport is learning to cope
with setbacks and losing rather than reveling in constant success."

Just to be bhelpful, I'll number the different fraction of the same
question.


I said;
Just to nit pick on that.

1.........Shouldn't that be a two way street?"

Was that the bit that confused you?

I also asked;

2........."Why can't maliciously jealous no-bodies experience such
character
building by coping with the set backs and loss that may result by
such
aggressive behaviour?"

To difficult for you to understand?
Let's try it this way;
Wouldn't the attacker having to face the consequences of his action
not be regarded as one of them character building "setbacks" you were
advocating?

I even went on to expand on that question by asking;

3.........."Don't you think that it might be equally character
building for him to
have the chance of seeing his family torn limb from limb
(metaphorically speaking) and all because of his viciousness?"

Precisely where have I lost you?

And lastly, and I don't see how this can seem obscure or convoluted...
I ended on the same sot of question with;

4..........."Why should only the victim be resigned to accept your
character
building theory?"

Personally speaking, I think you're just trying to weasel out of
realising what you said was bs.



--
Duncan Heenan
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The answer to your rephrased 'questions', is yes. And you will see that from my original post if you cared to read it fully, and not just pick out the bits wou didn't like.
--
Duncan Heenan
(Speaking personally)


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