Re: 3km
- From: "Micheal Artindale" <micheal.artindale@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:26:49 -0500
"Martin Smith" <beeties@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Micheal Artindale" <micheal.artindale@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >
> >"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Micheal Artindale wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>I finally did 3km in 2 hrs.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Was it due to the drills? Was it due to something else?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>I dont know, all I do know is that in 2hrs, I did 3 km.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Without stopping?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>That means you can probably do 5k in 4 hours. Only 3k more to
> >squeeze
> >> >> >
> >> >> > in.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>No.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>3 plus 3 is 6.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, it wasnt just me who could not figure out that math equation?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I dont feel so bad.
> >> >>
> >> >> What does 3 + 3 refer to?
> >> >>
> >> >> I said if you can do 3k in 2hrs, then you can probably do 5k in
4hrs.
> >5k
> >> >> + 3k is 8k. That means you still have to increase your average speed
> >> >> enough to squeeze 3k more into 4hrs.
> >> >
> >> >Actually, lets do some math i did 4km in 2.75 hrs, so, to do 8km at
> >roughly
> >> >that speed is = 5.5 hrs
> >>
> >> Do you really think you can even-split an 8k given your current
> >> training regimen? You can't figure that wayl. After the first 4km you
> >> will be tired. The second half will be slower.
> >
> >Then, yes, now... not quite so bad.
> >
> >>
> >> >Now, I did 3km in 2 hrs, using that number, 8km at that speed is =
5.33
> >hrs
> >> >
> >> >I can do the math, it seams Mr. Smith, you cannot.
> >>
> >> I think what you'll find, Michaeaaeal, is that your math and your
> >> swimming don't match.
> >
> >But neither does your math.
>
> My math is a lot closer to correct than yours. If you think you can
> double your best 4k time and use that as your estimate for an 8k time,
> you're wrong.
We are not talking about right now, we are talking about 6 months. Who realy
knows what will happen in 6 months.
>
> >> >> Now you probably feel a lot worse.
> >> >>
> >> >Nope. I feel great, aside from the soreness
> >>
> >> Look, you get sore every time you try to work at what for most people
> >> isn't even a warmup pace, or when you go a distance that isn't much
> >> further than a warmup. That means you are out of shape, and you are
> >> planning to swim an 8k in open water in seven months. And now you are
> >> deluding youself into believing that right now you can hold your best
> >> 4k pace for 8k.
> >
> >For your average person swimming 5 times a week, 2 hrs a day, and not
just
> >doing crawl, what is typical?
>
> I'm an average person. I'm an average masters swimmer. At age 56, if I
> could train 5x2hrs per week, in seven months I could go 8k in open
> water in under three hours.
Martin, I have a challenge. Before the end of the month, go to your local
pool and do 8 km. Report back to us on how long it took. Also, the day
after, report on how you feel.
>
> >All I know is I am getting better. I dont care what I should be at. I
care
> >that I am doing better than I have done before.
> >
> >For me, any race, or for that matter, any practice, is not about being
> >first.
> >
> >It is about being better than I was before.When I was racing, I came in
DEAD
> >last, not last place, BUT, Dead last. I was pitiful at best. Why did I
keep
> >doing it?
> >
> >In 2 years I went from being a non swimmer to learning how to swim, and
in 1
> >year, loosing 15 seconds off my time.
>
> It usually takes a few lessons to learn to swim, maybe 20 one-hour
> lessons over a summer. It took you two years? Why did it take that
> long? What are we dealing with here?
It took me 1 year to learn crawl, and do it in 59 seconds, actually about 4
months, 3 times a week for a hr each practice.
The next year it was honing it so that i could bring it to 45 seconds.
>
> >Yes, That was a while ago, but, that is still the same reason I do
things. I
> >dont care how i measure up. I dont care if it takes me 10 hours to do 8
> >kilometres. I dont care if it takes longer. I dont set time limits on
> >things. I set goals of completion. So what if it takes me so long to do
it?
> >Realy, what does it matter? I am enjoying myself. I am getting good
> >excersise. I am doing something healthy, unlike alot of people my age.
> >
> >At least I am not lazy, like yourself, and yes, we now have the proof
that
> >you did say that.
> >
> >>
> >> You may be right, but if you are right, it means you aren't working
> >> hard at all when you swim 4k in 2.75 hours.
> >
> >Actually most of the time, acheiving 2.5km in 2hrs, it isnt at breakneck
> >speeds. I sometimes push hard, like the 3km, or not quite so, 1.7km in 2
> >hrs. Sometimes it is just to relax, others, it is to burn of energy
(anger,
> >annoyance, ... better than using my fists.)
>
> You're saying you were pushing hard to finish 3k in 2hrs. That's 2.4
> seconds per meter. You are 25 years old. You are in the prime of your
> athletic life. Do you have a muscle problem?
I may be in the typical prime, but I am improving every day/week/month. I
have yet to hit any peak. I dont have a muscle problem. I have a
disadvantage. I learned how to swim almost 10 years later than you.
>
> >>You can easily swim 4k in
> >> 2.75 hours. If that's the case, why are you asking for all this
> >> advice?
> >
> >I realy am not asking for advice to get better. I dont want your advice.
you
> >are rude and insultful. You are disrespectful. I do not care anymore what
> >advice you have, as you do not know how to give it.
>
> Then we're done.
>
I ll believe that when I see it, or dont see it.
Micheal
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