Re: First All Blacks Squad



"Two Dogs" <nzrebel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:a25c349c-35c4-4e1a-be60-ac002cc61aaf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On May 15, 5:24 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Two Dogs" <nzre...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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> On May 14, 8:32 pm, "Andrew Dunford" <adunf...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> "Two Dogs" <nzre...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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>> > On May 10, 2:35 am, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro...@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:37:12 PM UTC+1, Two Dogs wrote:
>> >> > On May 9, 8:30 am, SirGH <geoffandr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> > > On Wednesday, 9 May 2012 05:24:46 UTC-4, Gib Bogle wrote:
>> >> > > > Not sure about Weepu, Mealamu and Williams.

>> >> > > I agree with Gib. Think they'll make statement by not picking
>> >> > > those
>> >> > > not playing well. Even Nonu might be sacrificed.

>> >> > Hansen has said he will stick with the RWC players rather than
>> >> > overhaul the squad immediately. Part of this loyalty may be
>> >> > political,
>> >> > to keep as much experience in NZ as the NZRU can, rather than >> >> > have
>> >> > them rush off and cash in overseas. Understandable, but I would >> >> > much
>> >> > rather see them identify and blood the up and comers this year.

>> >> Would you want the same thing if the RWC didn't exist?

>> > Yes. In fact the RWC has buggered things up, by keeping some
>> > players around past their use by date for it, and now having a
>> > sentiment that the RWC winners should be "rewarded" for winning it, >> > as
>> > if a cheap medal and the honour of wearing the All Black shirt >> > wasn't
>> > enough.

>> > We are talking about selecting form and promise over experience
>> > with lack of form. This debate should always be present when talking
>> > picking an All Black side, but it's been complicated for Hanson
>> > because he's the new coach. If he picks a side too different to last
>> > year and they crash and burn, he'll cop the flak.

>> Some of his actual selections have gone further down the 'promise' >> track
>> than I would have expected. Shields has great potential but has >> played
>> about five minutes of S15; Savea has looked good this year but his
>> bumbling
>> efforts throughout 2011 are recent enough in the memory to ask which >> is
>> the
>> real Savea etc.

>> <snip>

>> Andrew

> Savea, Barrett, Luke Whitelock, one of Retallick/Romano, Barlow,
> Sheilds: They are all there to get the All Black "family experience".
> Don't expect any of them to play before November's tour

As far as I can see, Savea is the only specialist winger in the entire
squad. Add in Jane on the other side, but now Kahui is injured Savea moves
up the pecking order.

I understand your point, but they won't get through the southern hemisphere
winter using only the 35 selected minus the work experience boys (and you
should count Cane and Tameifuna in that lot). Nothing like it.

Andrew

I hope you are right and we get to see a few of these guys.

What I'm actually saying is that more experienced blokes who have been dropped for now will reappear later in the season, like Flynn, Guildford, Gear, maybe Messam (please no) etc.

Andrew

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