Re: A little knowledge...

didgerman wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> didgerman wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> didgerman wrote:
>>>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>>> simon s-b wrote:
>>>>>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> simon s-b wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...is a dangerous thing goes the old adage. However, it's
>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near as dangerous as a pictures editor with no
>>>>>>>>>> knowledge. See page 142 of the current edition of Rugby World
>>>>>>>>>> where the seated row exercise is illustrated by a photo of
>>>>>>>>>> someone on a Concept 2 rowing machine !!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Bully
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>>>>>>>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind
>>>>>>>>>> don't matter, and those who matter don't mind."
>>>>>>>>>> - Dr. Seuss
>>>>>>>>> In an attempt to shift some of the recently acquired lard
>>>>>>>> What would be preferable would be a combination of exercise and
>>>>>>>> changing your diet. It's way more effective than exercise alone
>>>>>>>> to burn off the calories. e.g. a hard 30 mins on the C2 rowing
>>>>>>>> machine will burn approx. 450 kcals. However, you could cut
>>>>>>>> also 450kcals from your diet and therefore hit a deficit of
>>>>>>>> 900kcals/day which should lead to a loss of 1+ lbs per week.
>>>>>>> My diet is normally not too bad, but I've been living off
>>>>>>> expense accounts in Ireland for the last few months. Think 3
>>>>>>> courses, 10 pints and some Tullamore Dew each night and you'd
>>>>>>> be about right.
>>>>>> Oh dear. Was there no gym within a ten mile radius then ;) ?
>>>>> The call of the free lunch, no man can resist....
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going back
>>>>>>> to a normal diet will help, but to shift it fast I've always
>>>>>>> found there's no better way than running.
>>>>>> Still only going to burn 400 or so kcals in 30 mins!
>>>>> Yeah, I noticed this in an earlier post of yours, but you're
>>>>> missing a huge point imo......
>>>> Go on then...
>>>>
>>>>> Byrne looks half handy, most people who can run without hobbling
>>>>> along can manage a sub 1 hour 10k, that's going to put most blokes
>>>>> near 1000 kcals/hr. As well as that, when you run you're training
>>>>> your fat burning system,
>>>> What exactly is the fat burning system?
>>> I get the feeling you're having a laugh here. As you well know, it's
>>> the body's ability to provide energy from stored sources.
>>
>> Erm, ok. I'm not sure I've heard it called "the fat burning system"
>> before!
>
> That's essentially what it is.

So whilst I am sitting here, what is my body's preferred source of fuel?
What about after 20 mins exercise at 85% MHR? What about after one hour at
65% MHR?

>
>>
>>>>> therefore you're going to use more blubber next time
>>>> Eh?
>>> If you train for fat burning, you'll get better at it.
>>
>> How do you know when you are burning fat?
>
> It's all linked to your heart rate: Within a prescribed heart rate
> zone, you'll be using fat as the main fuel.

What if, regardless of HR, the muscle is still full of glycogen?

>
>>
>>> Many elite runners can run 5.30 minutes/mile in their fat burning
>>> zone.
>>
>> How do you know they are in their fat burning zone?
>
> Same as above, their heart rate will tell them.

So as soon as their HR hits a prescribed %age the body switches to fat
burning?

>
>>
>>>>> you go out and so on. Hard efforts on rowing machines etc just
>>>>> don't train your aerobic system in the same way as a longer run.
>>>> So the body uses different energy systems dependant on whether you
>>>> are running or rowing, is that what you are saying?
>>> No, not at all. It depends on the effort you're putting in.
>>
>> So what were you implying when you said that "Hard efforts on rowing
>> machines etc just don't train your aerobic system in the same way as
>> a longer run" ???
>
> That's the difference between aerobic and anaerobic rates of effort.
> Hard effort on a rowing machine will train your anaerobic capacity
> more, the fuel for that exercise comes from the glycogen stores in
> your muscles, blood and organs.

What about hard effort running? What about a longer row as per the longer
run?

>
>>
>>>> Are you up to date on the latest research on the best way of
>>>> fat-burning, i.e. HIIT?
>>> Nope, so I just had a quick read up on it. It's nothing new, this
>>> sort of thing has cropped up in various guises since exercise for
>>> the common man began. It is without question, utter, utter bilge.
>>
>> So, you tell me HIIT is "utter, utter bilge". Are you contending
>> that long steady state exercise is best for fat-burning?
>
> Without doubt, and that will never change. It's the way we're built,
> simple as that.

Ah, that's that then. Did you learn that at school, or did some spotty gym
instructor tell you that it's fact???

>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> The bike is because I want to do
>>>>>>> some low-impact stuff before I start on that.
>>>>>> Be a man, get on the Concept 2 !!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and recently
>>>>>>>>> lost lung capacity, I've kitted out the spare room with a
>>>>>>>>> multigym and bike (and yes, I've actually used them). I can't
>>>>>>>>> stand going to the gym - it worries me to see so many
>>>>>>>>> over-developed mincing predators
>>>>>>>> Over-developed AND mincing?
>>>>>>> Go to the Love-Muscle in Brixton of a weekend if you dare -
>>>>>>> you'll see exactly what I mean.
>>>>>> Is that YOUR gym?



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