Re: Dedruggio thinking about coming back to save England.


"William Clark" <clark.31@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> In article <1124826092.382184.181770@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> huwgareth@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> William A. T. Clark wrote:
>> > In article <1124812651.601531.8510@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> > huwgareth@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> >
>> > > Uncle Dave wrote:
>> > > > huwgareth@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Both Henson and Williams at least looked good at points on tour,
>> > > > > which
>> > > > > more than one can say for Wilkinson, Robinson or Greenwood.

Watching the same matches as the rest of us? Henson was ok tacking head on
but crap everywhere else. Williams...too small to be effective anywhere

>> > > > I presume you mean those photos of Henson with SCW? Yes, I'd say
>> > > > he
>> > > > looked pretty good then, well, as good as you can with hair like
>> > > > that
>> > > > in a tracksuit. What other points did you have in mind though?
>> > > > When
>> > > > he was out getting pissed? When he was with Ms Church? Singing
>> > > > the
>> > > > Lions anthem? Brushing his teeth?

Don't talk about Char...the worse advert for Cardiff never mind Wales.
>> > > > What?
>> > >
>> > > In the game after the first Test he played better than any of
>> > > Wilkinson, Robinson or Greenwood did in the entire tour.
>> > >
>> > > But what point are you trying to make? That the best englishman is
>> > > better than the worst Welshman? If so, I agree with this. I think
>> > > that
>> > > Moody had a better tour than at least two Welshmen.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > The truth is that only a handful of players came through that tour
>> > > > with
>> > > > their reputations intact and they were not, by any means, all
>> > > > "Celts".
>> > > > Indeed, the performances of the Welsh gave us reason to think that
>> > > > maybe the 6N was an aberration and that the sun, which dawned so
>> > > > brightly, will give the rest of the day a miss and scarper down
>> > > > behind
>> > > > a hill as soon as competition starts again in earnest.

Let's wait for the new dawn of Welsh rugby shall we? I live here in Wales
and trust me, there is NO new dawn. It was simply the same as England when
they won the world cup...right team at the right time in the right place.
And as to the English only playing a kicking game...nice to see Henson doing
just that with the last kick of the game against England.

>> > > On the basis for the 6N, one would predict that the Welsh were better
>> > > than the english but not as good as NZ. That's exactly what the tour
>> > > showed. According to the BBC, hardly a pro-Wales site, the tour
>> > > ratings
>> > > for the players rated 5.43 for the english, 5.64 for the Irish, 6.5
>> > > for
>> > > the Scots and 6.08 for the Welsh.

The Welsh aren't better than the English or the Irish or French for that
matter. They're better than the Scots and Italians but that's only because
they don't have a team...although the Italians are becoming something we
shouldn't just dismiss.

>> > But here is the real nub of the problem - as long as the "Celts" (i.e.
>> > the Welsh) are busy pointing fingers at everyone else, particularly the
>> > English, there is no chance of the kind of unity a tour party needs to
>> > succeed. It has happened before with the Welsh, and no doubt it will
>> > happen again.

Oh spare me...The Welsh are ALWAYS bleating about "English" rugby and
pointing the finger at us. Hell, they'd have us believe THEY were the
saviours of the 6N even though they made little or no difference to the
standard of play. Let's face it, the Lions were rolled over by a much better
team.... I hear Welshmen bleating each week at the local club and at the
Staduim where I can pay a tenner and watch the "best" of Welsh rugby...lol

>> The Welsh are only pointing their fingers at the english, not at
>> everyone else. And the Irish and the Scots have been pointing their
>> fingers at the English, too. The problem is with the english vs
>> everyone else, not the Welsh vs everyone else. And I have no doubt that
>> it will happen again - the English caused this dissent on the last
>> Lions tour in 2001, as well.

We did? Did I miss something on this last tour? Did I hear the English
blaming anyone?

> Oh, so that's alright then, it's just the English. I haven't heard any
> complaints from the Irish, and the Scots simply didn't have enough
> players performing at the level necessary to be selected. You don't get
> it though, do you? It's not a question of which nation was slighted,
> it's a question of trying to mould a united British Isles team when
> there is all this selfish carping going on. The Welsh clique has been a
> problem on some previous tours, and the same was true here.

The Welsh have never gotten over the fact that their rugby is rubbish. And
if they'd have played as part of the LIONS team and not little Wales then
maybe things would have been different.

>> > Did SCW get selection horribly screwed up for the 1st test? Absolutely,
>> > but having got past that point it is time to step up and perform. None
>> > of Jones (Stephen), Henson, or Williams (or any other Welshman apart
>> > from Ryan Jones and Peel (in parts)) did in the games that really
>> > counted - tests 2 and 3, so quit pointing fingers at everyone else.

Well, actually I think SCW DID get in all wrong but I'm just a mere woman so
that makes me doubly damned doesn't it...knows nothing about rugby AND a
female!

>> Henson and Williams only played in one Test. They didn't do well in
>> those tests, but there were plenty of english playing in all of the
>> Tests who did equally badly. Neither Henson nor Williams carry anything
>> like as much responsibility as Wilkinson or Greenwood.

They don't carry any responsibility because they didn't have the experience
to be there. They were there simply on the back of the fact that Wales won
the 6N and there would have been an outcry had they not been selected. I'd
have taken more English and Irish players but hey ho.

> Oh, so now we have to divvy out who really let the side down in what is
> supposed to be a TEAM game. Henson did squat, Williams couldn't tackle
> my beagle, but we have to make sure that it's really all the fault of
> Wilkinson or Greenwood. No it isn't, it's the fault of the TEAM of
> which, as I recall, even your heroes of the red dragon were supposed to
> be part. As long as this chauvinistic bitching goes on, no Lions team
> will ever be able to compete with the SH.

Thank you. Henson DID do squat. All that posturing and when the crunch came
he was rolled over again and again by bigger better player in the ABs and I
think it is HIM who couldn't tackle you beagle. Williams was fast but just
too small to make any difference to any play. Wilkinson shouldn't have been
there anyway and SCW has possibly blighted his career for good. Greenwood
should retire gracefully. And yes, it was a TEAM effort and a poor one at
that and hey, let's not forget that the Red Dragon boys are now special
having won the 6N and we need to remember that Welsh rugby will take the
world by storm once more.


>> Unfortunately, the english were responsible for this dire tour, having
>> managed it apallingly and being the Lion's share of the players. If
>> pointing this fact out is "pointing fingers", then so be it. If you
>> want all the control and none of the responsibility, then you're not
>> going to get it.

> But there we go - as long as it's all the fault of the English, you can
> trot smugly home to the Valleys and congratulate yourselves. None of it
> was your responsibility. Still, clearly the Welsh will now be invincible
> in the Autumn tests and the 6N, won't they?

Oh let's all point the finger at everyone who isn't Welsh. I don't recall a
single Irishman or Scotsman complaining. I certainly don't recall seeing the
Scots complain about the lack of players in the squad but according to the
Nationals down here, the entire squad should have been the whole of the
Welsh team and no one else.
Get over it...we lost to a far better team who wanted to win more than we
did. We were rolled over by a nation that plays together not against itself
and it's time the Lions tours were scrapped instead of being a way to raise
money for the old school tie boys

William, my regards

Anne

> William Clark



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