Re: online incident reporting

Christopher Anton wrote:
"Carl Douglas" <carl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:6v6p80FijsqbU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Christopher Anton wrote:
"Carl Douglas" <carl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:6v34clFhrb1pU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c.anton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On 6 Feb, 00:57, Carl Douglas <c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Christopher Anton wrote:
"Henry Law" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Christopher Anton wrote:
Well, now: I may have misunderstood. I thought the plan was that the
individual rower is supposed to report the incident on line. I think I
now understand that the idea is that rowers report in the dog-eared and
musty, as before, and that the Safety Bod gets a hold of said book from
time to time and reports them online. I'd already decided that that was
the only sensible solution to the problem I've outlined above, so maybe
all is well.
Do you know if the incident database is to be available on line to
members?
Not sure about that. I can certainly invite anyone with whom I want to share
the report just by knowing their ARA number.
Christopher -

You are an active cog in the machine supposedly delivering rowing
safety. Now some deadly serious questions:

1. How on earth are individual rowers made safer by a system which hides
reports of problems, their circumstances & their consequences from
public view?
2. What is so special about rowing incident reports that only officials
may see them?
3. What is gained thereby & who benefits?
4. Why does the ARA's peculiarly secretive & untrusting vision of rowing
safety thus conflict so diametrically with the open & accessible
approaches of the AAIB (for air transport) & by the MAIB for nearly all
non-rowing aquatic activities?
5. Is there any rational explanation for the ARA's sloth & secrecy, pray?
6. If not, why do you remain within such a system?

Carl

PS Why is Stuart Ward, Chairman of the Water Safety Committee, not going
to show my letter to him of 18 January to his WSC colleagues until their
April meeting, yet on their behalf he has unilaterally declined the
invitation contained therein? Is that how rowing safety should be managed?

C

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The reports are not hidden from the public view (they effectively were
before), nor open only to officials (whoever they may be). They can
now be seen. There's a balance also to be struck between having a
database which sits there passively and people who have an interest
can look it up, and one where people get email prompts warning them
that such a thing has happened.

The one drawback is that I could not share reports with memebrs of the
public who do not have an ARA number.
I note that, late last night, you wrote that you didn't think you could share these reports with ordinary club members. Now you say you can. Is that correct?

Since you tend to be well informed on things ARA, that indicates at the least a woeful failure by the ARA to disseminate information.

However, you confirm that you can't share this information with non-members. Why the hell is that (excuse my deleted expletives)? What does the ARA want to hide from the general public?

Further, as a representative of the admin of this sport you cannot even share incident data with the careful parents of a kid considering taking up rowing. That kind of restraint on safety data ought to be (& might well actually be) illegal.

And it means you can't share it with me. Hmmm.

Probably the DPA I would have thought.
It has not the slightest thing to do with the Data Protection Act. That's the standard bureaucratic excuse offered by secretive officialdom.

Please explain how anonymised accident reports are covered by the DPA?

Please also explain how you can share non-anonymised reports with ARA members?

It just don't wash

Carl

PS bit of a torrid discussion of water safety at the ARA Council meeting, wasn't there? Seems SW has a bit more explaining to do, & maybe he has to do it to rather higher authorities. Oh what a tangled web ...... !
C
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It is my belief that anonymised data will be made available. The system also allows discussion of the details of incidents and steps taken with all the interested parties.

Some peoplewill I am sure be keener to use it than others. It seems to be working sell at the moment.

re Council, I wasn't there, it overran and I had to leave.



Christopher -

If it is working well, then how? And how can we believe that, since seeing is the only way of believing anything the ARA says it does on safety these days? Are you implying that non-anonymised data is being spread about, in possible breach of the DPA?

And, if it is "working well", then for whom is it working? Or is this just another of Stuart Ward's lies (sorry, but there's no nicer word for it)? Like his report to Council that _all_ responses to Row Safe had been favourable - which he had yesterday, & with utmost reluctance I gather, to accept was simply not true?

Lastly - I can scarcely believe (well, I can, since it's the ARA!) this claim that the meeting over-running obliged number of people to leave early. There was business to be discussed, so it was the plain duty of those on Council to stay & see it through - to the bitter end. We all have homes to go back to, but sometimes we must make sacrifices to get jobs done - that's the responsibility of office, whether representative or executive. I understand that the over-run had a lot to do with excessive time spent discussing (after the fait accompli, so what's the point?) the ARA's impending & allegedly wonderful (?) change of name. Boy, that really does matter so very much more than woefully misconducted water safety management in our very aquatic sport!

What planet are these guys on?

Carl

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