Re: online incident reporting



c.anton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On 6 Feb, 00:57, Carl Douglas <c...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Christopher Anton wrote:
"Henry Law" <n...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Christopher Anton wrote:
Well, now: I may have misunderstood. I thought the plan was that the
individual rower is supposed to report the incident on line. I think I
now understand that the idea is that rowers report in the dog-eared and
musty, as before, and that the Safety Bod gets a hold of said book from
time to time and reports them online. I'd already decided that that was
the only sensible solution to the problem I've outlined above, so maybe
all is well.
Do you know if the incident database is to be available on line to
members?
Not sure about that. I can certainly invite anyone with whom I want to share
the report just by knowing their ARA number.
Christopher -

You are an active cog in the machine supposedly delivering rowing
safety. Now some deadly serious questions:

1. How on earth are individual rowers made safer by a system which hides
reports of problems, their circumstances & their consequences from
public view?
2. What is so special about rowing incident reports that only officials
may see them?
3. What is gained thereby & who benefits?
4. Why does the ARA's peculiarly secretive & untrusting vision of rowing
safety thus conflict so diametrically with the open & accessible
approaches of the AAIB (for air transport) & by the MAIB for nearly all
non-rowing aquatic activities?
5. Is there any rational explanation for the ARA's sloth & secrecy, pray?
6. If not, why do you remain within such a system?

Carl

PS Why is Stuart Ward, Chairman of the Water Safety Committee, not going
to show my letter to him of 18 January to his WSC colleagues until their
April meeting, yet on their behalf he has unilaterally declined the
invitation contained therein? Is that how rowing safety should be managed?

C

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The reports are not hidden from the public view (they effectively were
before), nor open only to officials (whoever they may be). They can
now be seen. There's a balance also to be struck between having a
database which sits there passively and people who have an interest
can look it up, and one where people get email prompts warning them
that such a thing has happened.

The one drawback is that I could not share reports with memebrs of the
public who do not have an ARA number.

I note that, late last night, you wrote that you didn't think you could share these reports with ordinary club members. Now you say you can. Is that correct?

Since you tend to be well informed on things ARA, that indicates at the least a woeful failure by the ARA to disseminate information.

However, you confirm that you can't share this information with non-members. Why the hell is that (excuse my deleted expletives)? What does the ARA want to hide from the general public?

Further, as a representative of the admin of this sport you cannot even share incident data with the careful parents of a kid considering taking up rowing. That kind of restraint on safety data ought to be (& might well actually be) illegal.

And it means you can't share it with me. Hmmm.

Any thoughts, meanwhile, on my postscript, above? Is the WSC, then, merely a sycophantic rubber stamp for whatever Stuart Ward & his masters wish done?

I don't wish to give you a hard time, Christopher, but what is happening within the ARA over rowing safety is a scandal. You & I both know that keeping quiet, behaving nicely, not making waves & hoping the old guard will change their ways - while also hoping nothing will go too badly wrong meanwhile - has not worked & will not work.

And that's before we address Ward's outrageous deception in claiming that the ARA is implementing RoSPA's recommendations. You know full well that, in large part, it is doing no such thing.

carl

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