Re: Another reason why genocide is the answer...

Tom Greening <tgreen@xxxxxxxxxxx> has this craizy idea that:

>
> Oh it's a fact is it? Who says so? Are you out of your mind? The
> US controls the middle east? That notion is so ludicrous as to defy
> description. Gee, just who is that we control over there, would you
> please point that out? Maybe you would like to propose your
> "theory" to Iran, Syria, and anyplace ending in -istan and see what
> their opinion is. The only place (of any note) we have serious
> influence in over there is Israel, and that's only so they can insure
> a nice uninteruppted weapons flow. Not an unreasonable position
> since they are surrounded by people that have tried, or are currently
> sworn to destroy them.

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>>> Our protection? Well maybe not, but without our assistance the
>>> makeup of today's world would be a whole hell of a lot different
>>> dontcha think? And dare I say, different in way that could not be
>>> considered better.
>>
>> true, for the most part
>>
>>>
>
> Then what are you bitching about?
>
>>> Big fat profit eh? I wonder, just how much money was it we spent
>>> rebuilding Axis countries whose sole purpose was world conquest? I
>>> wonder how much of that was actually repaid.
>>
>> i wont get into economics but once again, if you can't just how much
>> money U.S. made by staying in Europe after the war, then you're
>> dumber than you appear.....
>>>
>
> Oh yes, the money just rolled in because we stayed in Europe. The
> biggest reason we stayed in Europe was to stop their sorry asses from
> getting over run again, this time by the Soviet bloc, and head off a
> repeat of the ass-whooping little Germany handed to the rest. If
> ANYone made "big bucks" over US presence, it was you guys chief.
>
>>> What do you think east Asia would look like today if we had not been
>>> involved?
>>
>> the same... you lost the vietnam war remember !!!!! if you didn't
>> intervene there would probably be a few more comunists there... who
>> gives a ***!!!!
>>
>
> I'll grant it was not a success. Won every major battle, but gave up
> the war because of politics, but if I remember correctly we inherited
> the whole mess from your french european brothers. Why is it that
> europe tends to selectively "forget" the fact that it was your french
> buddies that created that whole mess. We just tried (unsuccessfully)
> to clean it up.
>
>
>
> But nothing. So what you are saying is, that the ONLY reason we got
> involved in the war was because of some self-centered notion that if
> we didn't some maniacal basket case bent on world domination would
> mess up the rest of the planet, thereby upsetting our happy little
> world, and you are CRITISIZING us for it? Okey dokey. I guess we
> should have just stayed out of it and then you could be happy with
> your bratwurst and sour kraut. Never mind the fact that the odds are
> pretty good that someone in your family or some close friend would
> have been turned to charcoal somewhere along the way. I see your
> point though so....sorry about that. Next time we'll do better and
> just mind our own business.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing that you entered the war, but don't
make it sound like you did it out of the goodnes of your hearts

>
>
>>> Tony may or may not know what it's like in the rest of the world,
>>> but I've been there and had the stomach viruses to prove it. A good
>>> portion of the planet is apparently a nasty shithole whose
>>> governments are either unable or unwilling to take care of it's
>>> citizens. Ever been to India chief? The vast majority of the
>>> population lives in poverty so disgusting that the average homeless
>>> US person could be considered well off.
>>
>> so???
>>
>
> So why aren't you pissing and moaning about them? There are MANY
> places around the planet doing worlds more harm than what you seem to
> think we do. I understand though. It's tough being at the top
> because everyone below will grasp at ANY straw if they think they can
> drag you down a notch. Keep clawing though, because right now we can
> take it.

like who... Indians?!? what are they doing to this world that's so bad??!!?

>
>
>>> South America? Not as bad,
>>> but a damn sight more violent.
>>
>> As long as they supply you with cocaine, your govement won't touch
>> them...
>>
>
> So incredibley ignorant there is no response possible.
>
>>> Europe depends on where you happen to
>>> live and which side of the fence you were on back around '44.
>>
>> i don't get it ?!?!
>>>
>
> You don't? You mean you seriously don't get it? Hmm. Well at
> war's end (and still today) it was certainly better to be French,
> English, etc than it was to be German (eastern variety) or anyone
> annexed by the Russians don't you think?

yeah that's true.. i didn't understand your sentence the first time

>
>
>>> Is the rest of the world afraid of us? Maybe not, but it seems they
>>> do seem to spend a fair amount of time worrying about we do or don't
>>> do, and one thing Tony WAS correct about is that the ones that are
>>> the loudest complainers are also the first with their hands out when
>>> some major catastrophe lands on their doorstep.
>>
>> sad but mostly true
>>>
>
> Then what are you bitching about?
>
>>
>> *** you... I'm an athiest !!!! If it were up to me i'd ban every
>> fucking religion on the planet!!! Those bomb carrying morons are
>> all religious FANATICS... And every religion has those... even yours
>> !!! Not every muslim wants to blow himself up, just like not every
>> american is a bigget like most some people here.
>>
>>
>
> Good for you. Be an athiest, though I don't see your point since I
> never brought up your religion, or lack thereof.
>
> No, not every muslim is a bomb carrying nut, but almost without fail
> every bomb carrying nut IS a muslim. Something to think about. And
> yes, the christians have had their moments no doubt. The crusades
> come to mind, and closer to home, northern ireland. But by and large
> they have "grown up" and moved on from that. On the other hand the
> muslim world has been doing the exact same thing for thousands of
> years and doesn't seem to be showing any serious inclination to
> changing their ways. Don't like something/someone? Grab a
> gun/bomb/knife and kill. Oh an generally speaking it really doesn't
> matter who you kill, even your own people, just so long as you scream
> allah akbah at the top of your lungs and denounce the Americans as
> you do it.
>
>
>
>>> If we really really were the evil warmongers everyone thinks we are
>>> do you really believe this Iraq thing would still be going on?
>>
>> don't kid yourself...you are... the people think so.... it's the
>> politicians who are kissing your ass.. unfortunatley all politicians
>> are the same, so no matter who you vote for they all suck !!!!
>>
>
> How old are you, 12? Yep, we are all crazed military nut jobs.
> That's why Bush's popularity is at an all time low, because we are
> all just sooo happy with what he's done in iraq. The only thing your
> said that was even close is that politicians suck. Tell everyone
> whatever it is they want to hear just to insure their sorry butts get
> to hold office for another term.

not all of you are warmongers, but your goverment is, and since you elected
them... i never said all american are like that... just majority of them

>
>>
>> and thats the sadest fact of them all.... instead of cutting every
>> possible conection with you, nobody would do a god damn thing !!!!
>> Why, i cant understand... My guess is they're afraid of Bush...
>> because i really believe that that moron would launch nukes at
>> Europe if he thought they are getting in the way... Maybe it would
>> be for the best... you nuke us, we nuke you... start all over again
>> from scratch one !!!!
>>
>
> Why? Because your sorry asses want the dollars that is generated by
> trade with us. Our government isn't the only motivated by money you
> self righteous turd. Of course this probably isn't a factor for you
> because you still live at home and suck off the parental teat.
>
yup... still in college....



> And in case you weren't paying attention, Europe did get in the way,
> mightily, and yet you still exist. Imagine that. The big problem
> with your theory is that in a nuclear exchange there would definitely
> be some people having to back up and regroup. That would be us. It
> wouldn't be you as there would be no one left. I suggest you look up
> the nuclear stats as to who holds the cards in that respect.

doesn't matter if you have 10 or 10000 nukes... 4-5 nukes could set the U.S.
back for about 20-30 years... 20-30 nukes detonated around the world would
cause so much fallout, disesae, anarchy and caos... it would send the whole
planet back to the dark ages... U.S. included... I believe Enistien once
said something like "I don't know with what will the WW3 be fought, but in
WW4 they'll use stick and stones !!!!" He was right !!!
If you believe all that nuclear shelter living underground movie crap, then
you're mistaken...
>
>
>>> Who exactly could stop us at
>>> this particular point in history? You? The Soviet (Non-)Union?
>>> China? Not a chance.
>>
>> Not me as in Croatia... *** we couldn't conquer Manhattan let alone
>> an entire city ;)
>
> Take manhattan, it's yours. Wouldn't bother me a bit actually.
>
>
>> As i said before... all the world has to do to shut you up, is to
>> say no... you live on an "island" with very limited natural
>> resources... if everyone just cut of their trading lines with
>> america, your entire economy would collapse in a matter of months...
>> in a few years you would be seriously fucked... without a single
>> bullet shot !!!!
>
> Again, are you out of your mind? Do you have any idea why Yamamoto
> and Hitler did NOT want the US involved in the war? It was because
> they both knew that our industrial capability would bury them.
> Yamamoto admitted that if the the US were involved and held out for a
> year he was toast. Hitler knew it as well and wanted the japanese to
> stay away from us. That capacity is still there chief, a lot of it
> is moth-balled, but the capability is still here. Along with the
> resources. I don't know where you get your info.
>
> Any country of any note CAN'T cut off trading ties. Why do think it
> is that if our economy starts to slide, the rest of the PLANET slides
> right along with it. And I guarantee you, we are much better
> prepared to deal with it in the long run than just about anywhere
> else.

Well the way i see it.. the rest of the world could do without america, but
i doubt it would work the other way... but unfortunatley not a lot of people
can see that...

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>
>
>> an even if there were an armed conflict, inspite of your
>> technoligical supreiority you seem to forget that noone is that far
>> behind you... and in the end it's the quantity that counts... and
>> theres a whole lot more russians, chinese and europeans, than
>> americans again if it came to launching nukes, everybody would loose
>> !!!!
>>
>>>
>
> You are sadly mistaken there. Numbers are not it. China has a HUGE
> military. That has to grow a large portion of it's own food and try
> to run it's own little business ventures in order to keep it going.
> What good is a miltary if it can not be adequately supplied? Desert
> storm should give you an idea. China has a military of around 2.5
> million or so total, and absolutely no reasonable way to project that
> force now or in the forseeable future. Mainland china would be a
> tough nut to crack no doubt if your intention was to invade and
> control, but as far as them being a serious threat by trying to
> project there force somewhere? Forget it. Go look at their budget
> for last year and see what that works out to on a per man basis.
> Any kind of conflict seriously outside their borders and the chinese
> would get their asses handed to them.
>
>
>>> getting on your self righteous high horse because the fact is that
>>> if there was ANY other government, yours included, that was capable
>>> of wielding the same clout they would not hesitate to do so. Not
>>> for one stinking instant, and you would be the happier for it.
>>> Don't EVEN try to deny it because that is just the way people are.
>>
>> That's also true.. and for that i'm not pissed at you, I'm pissed at
>> other goverments including mine because they are letting you get
>> away with everything....
>>>
>>>
>
> Stop kidding yourself. You are only pissed because you DON'T have
> that clout. If you did you would be one big happy smiling face and
> wondering why the rest of the world was mad at you.

I couldn't care less how my country "ranks"... it's certanly not something i
can change so why worry about it... the same goes for the rest of the stuff
i said here.... I'm pissed when i think about it, but it's not something I
worry about... who cares.....

>
>
>
>>> Haves and Have Not's chief. It's a classic.
>>
>> just a few more fact everyone keeps forgetting
>> eventhough U.S. has the largest number of nuclear warheads, and is
>> the only country in the world that has actually used them, you're
>> also the biggest supporters of banning every military nuclear
>> program in the world.... except your own of course !!!
>
> Yep, you are right, we did. And we haven't done so since because we
> know what lies down that road. I won't get into the whole soviet
> arms race deal because what is past is past and it could be argued
> that it did serve it's purpose. The unfortunate side affect of all
> that is the absolutely scary number of nuclear weapons it left
> behind, on both sides. The biggest scary part is that we still have
> control of all of ours (which are fewer in number than they used to
> be), and the soviet non-union does not. And there are a whole bunch
> of places out there with people who have historically shown a lot
> less restrait than us in certain ways. So, yeah, we are real big
> fans of the rest of the world not starting down that path. It leads
> to no good for the most part. Do you think Bin Hiden would hesitate
> for an instant? Or that nut case Zarwhacky in iran?

you're right, to a certain point... there are some bigger issues behind
that, but i won't go further about it... this thread has to die sometime
soon.. i don't have any more time to write.. gotta go study :)

>
>
>> eventhough you claim that you hel countries for free, you were the
>> last country that signed the agreement on erasing all debts from the
>> poorest countries in the world....
>>
>>
>
>
> Yeah? Check and see who had the most to "forgive". And actually why
> should we since most of the money was squandered by corrupt
> governments and it's officials and never made it to the people it was
> supposed to help. And you know what? Screw 'em anyway. If you
> live in Zambahloogie and have problems feeding yourself, don't come
> crying to me with your 10 kids.

You (and everyone else for that matter) had no buiseness beeing there in the
first place... those people (entire africa) was doing pretty fine until
technology came and fucked them up... all in all, western countries are to
be blamed for every poor dead person in Africa.. but that's a topic for
another thread

> God helps those who
> helps themselves as it were.

ergo > there is no god
>
>
>> Bucks and oil "chief"... That's a classic !!!!
>>
>
> This really is obvious to anyone with any thought process at all but
> I'll go ahead and state the obvious anyway. IF we wanted to control
> all the oil, we would have it all by now. No questions, case closed,
> you nor anyone else could stop us. What we DO want is someone in
> control over there who is stable and reasonable to deal with.

******** The control thing i mentioned... you just described it... as is
stated before... what the *** dou you think the CIA has been doing for the
last 60 years... when CIA could handle it "delicatley" anymore, you sent in
the troops... Jesus Christ it's so fcking simple !!!!!
If middle east didn't have oil, 99.99% of all americans including the people
in goverment couldnt point the place on a map (not that they can now)


> One more little point. I'll admit it. Yep, it IS all about oil. We
> want it, need it, live it breathe it drink it every day. So what?
> Try living your life without it junior. You have NO idea how your
> little world would change if it all dried up. Grow up for another 15
> years or so, get the education, and then come back and rejoin the
> discussion.

actually the world is ready for the oil shortage but noone will abmitt it
because they all stand to loose billions of dollars, euros, jens, pesos
etc... there are wery few areas of human life where oil still can't be
replaced by electrical/hybrid/natural gas etc engines, generators etc...
those would be airline traffic, marine traffic (ships, don't know the
correct term) and maybe large consturction machnery (buldozers and stuff)
and they all don't make 15% of total oil users on the planet.... everything
else is ready but noone wants to say it because it's not profitable enough
!!!! but it will be...

c ya !!!!



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