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We need a national, privately owned co-op that
figures premiums on actuarial tables instead of
"return on investment". How hard can it be for a
bunch of us to get together and sign up for such a
company, promising to buy insurance from this
co-op when it becomes available? If we build a
group they will come. And if the government is
willing to subsidize pre-existing illness members,
all the better and I sure don't mind spending a little
to get basic insurance for the poor, expecially
veterans, children, mentally ill, disabled, elderly,
mothers with underage children, who else ... ?

Here is another surprise for you. The poor, veterans, mentally ill,
disabled and the elderly already get free health care. Most of what you
are railing about is already available.

Your suggestion that adding more overhead somehow reduces costs is not a
practical solution.

It's kind of disarming to get civil answers,
even though not really true. I used to work
at a Comunity Information and Referral
in Phoenix and a friend of a friend just went
through trying to get help for her and her
child. She is mentally disabled and her child
was a crack baby. It was almost impossible.
She was misdiagnosed, denied service, not
even given a counselor to help her deal with
being without services becasue of budget
cutbacks in Nevada.

The agencies were fighting over who got her,
yet to be granted mental health disability checks.
They were denied and if her CPS case worker
hadn't had a relative working in the Salvation
Army, she never would have gotten any care
at all except in a daily shelter. It's a mess for
someone with a child, who is disabled. I see
a hundred guys living on the street here and
some of them are willing to work, I asked and
they were fighting to get enough money to get
back into an apartment. Some of us need to
actually talk to the people we think are getting
services.

It is hard to blame anyone, but the doctor if there was a misdiagnosis.
Single payer plan, conventional insurance, and welfare programs all have
rules based on diagnosis.

Being misdiagnosed was only one minor
problem. She was re-diagnosed correctly,
according to the experts. All of the problems
came after being supposedly diagnosed
correctly. She fell and hit her head on a
sidewalk during one of her drug induced
psychotic episodes. Until I inquired she was
had not had an MRI or Cat Scan to see if
she had brain damage. One was done almost
immediately and that doesn't speak ill of the
payment for health services but I'm talking
about the overall care that less poor receive.

It's worse in Child Protective Services. There
are so many children who should be removed
from homes who aren't ... and the state tries to
save money by accepting crappy foster care
parents, in many cases. A child named China
Marie Davis, was killed by her foster mother
in Arizona ... two kids within a week by foster
parents killed. China had dozens of broken bones
other than the ones she received from being
pushed down stairs for not clapping at a birth-
day party. The other bones had healed ... they
were never reported. China was either 6 or 8
when she died.

That was not nearly the worst thing that happened.
The stories are too sick to burden people with
but somehow you have to make people aware of
what is happening without making them sick to
their stomachs and depressed. Hence my skepticism
of services for poor people. Is there really health
care for poor people now? Hell no.


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