Re: Earth to Obama

On Aug 3, 8:16 pm, William Clark <cl...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
state.edu> wrote:
In article
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 Dinosaur_Sr <frostback2...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 2, 1:43 pm, William Clark <cl...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
state.edu> wrote:

Boy, you do have a chip on your shoulder, don't you? Where I am we both
teach AND do research, and those external dollars more than cover my
salary, and support graduate students to enable them to pursue a degree.  
Not to mention generating ideas that are commercialized to create wealth
and jobs for Ohio. And that is before the credit hour income from
teaching is added in - a function that we also take very seriously.

Really? What have you discovered within say the last year...or ever
that is worth what you cost? You must be pretty much a loser if you
need grant money to cover the costs of your grad students.

Next time you fly, spare a thought for those turbine blades, whose
effective weight at flying speeds is equivalent to eight buses. You
wouldn't like one of those to let go, now would you?

Oh, yes, and if have a root canal, or your kid has braces, ask yourself
why the former is now much less risky and the latter much less
uncomfortable.

Thank you.







So what exactly was this "recent project" of yours that brought in
"hundreds of thousands of doallars (sic)"? Something the rest of us do
routinely, I will bet.

Nope. I didn't sit around gabbing all day. I took over our master
program in biology and it went from 2 part time students to over 100
students, and we get full tuition from most of them. I knew there was
a need here because masters programs are too mundane for out of touch
pointy heads like you, despite the fact that people like teachers, lab
techs and 2 year college instructors really need them. In the case of
public universities, with a land grant base, it is interesting to
consider the hypocrisy of the spirit of the land grant idea and the
fact that *YOU* serving people like in service teachers is beneath
you, and thus it creates opportunites for private colleges like
MC...so maybe I not only understand you a lot better than you think,
but I can test my theories about how people like you work in the real
world and have them actually work, resulting in great benefit to my
employer and my community. Again, what have you discovered this year
that is worth what your cost your community? FWIW, the people I work
with do so only because they want to, and they get not state subsidy
on tuitions like those at land grant institutions like OSU. Our
students come here, and pay more because they want to. The taxpayer is
not soaked in the process. So what have you done this past year that
is worth what you cost?

Oh, whoopee. Selling masters degrees for cash - just like every MBA
program. I suppose you have detailed statistics of the employment offers
for your "graduates", do you.

As to the rest, see above. I can't be bothered to waste time on more
detail while you are so consumed with vitriol. You wouldn't understand
it anyway, but it is creating real jobs in the state of Ohio.

And you?





Do you have some examples here, or is this just you talking out of your
rear, as per usual?

So you don't beleive there are deadwood in most state universities?
You know, the guys who have a teaching and research contract that
specifies say 4-7 hours of teaching per semester, and the rest
research...but they haven't had a real grant in years and live off
department grants. Some go to one obligatory meeting per year and
mostly party. You can't even find them at presentations by their own
students. They more or less sit around and gab, mainly about how they
are treated so badly by the system...do anything but really work.
Heaven forbid they would have to do that! They should be fired, IMHO,
because they violate their contracts. You want names? Sure. You are PI
on how many current grants? Refs please so we can look them up!

Give me a name or two - you have lost me here. I think you are
projecting Mississippi College to real universities.

You don't understand the first thing about the reward and incentive
programs at major Research I's, do you

Ahh! Begging the question again! How about you do something you get
paid. You do nothing, you don't get paid. NJot you do dosmething you
get a raise, you do nothing you don't get a raise, which is
ridiculous. IMHO, your vaunted reward and incentive system is the
latter, you do nothing, you don't get a raise. You, for example, do
not generate anywhere near enough in productivity by your teaching to
pay your salary, let alone other costs. If you aren't briniging in
overhead yourself, but relying on dept and school funded grants and
income, you should only get what is represented by the value of your
teaching!

Once again, your ignorance of the real world is both alarming and
laughable. This is so farcical it CAN'T be answered.



How about if you don't have a grant where you are PI, you teach 15
hours per semester at OSU. Now that would be an improvement. If the
scientific community doesn't beleive in your work, why should the
taxpayer of Ohio subsidize it?

First, we are on quarters. Second we do teach a full load in addition to
the research, and we do it without the pretence of teaching that you
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Fristly. We don't use TAs. Sorry.

Secondly, you still haven't responded with an answer to the question
as tyo what you have discovered. Something about root canals? really?
So I am supposed to beleive that until *YOU* came along turbines
didn't work properly? Of no one ever good a decent root canal? Now
that's laughable. Fact is people work on stuff like that all the time
and ever little pinhead has his or her own little story to tell,
almost always much ado about nothing.

As for selling degrees for cash...exaclty what do you do? You aren't
paid? Students at OSU don't pay tuition or have it paid for them? The
real difference here is that our student themselves choose to pay for
our programs. They aren't paid for from taxpayer money.

You failed to show how your activities in the last year paid for your
salary and the associated costs of your position. I suppose people are
supposed to go out and work and turn money over to the government to
be doled out to you without any accounting at all! It is laughable how
you dismiss without a defence my statements about your incentive based
pay. In the real world, you produce you get paid, you don't produce
you don't get paid. In pointyheaded academia, you produce, you get a
raise, you don't produce you don't get paid.

What's a full teaching load, BTW. In most state schools I know of it's
15 contact hours per week, no TAs. And again, what current grants have
you as PI? I told you what I do and you shot at me, fine, if you have
no current granrts, and did nothing of value this past year but teach,
what basis do you have to attack me for being teaching faculty?
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