Re: How to be an RSG liberal

In article <XaidnQrGwOZE5TTUnZ2dnUVZ_tjinZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
BAR <Screw@xxxxxxx> wrote:

William Clark wrote:
You and I come from two different schools of social thought. You want to
take care of everyone with other peoples money. I want everyone to take
care of themselves with their own money.

Which is wonderful, provided they have some. When it is involuntarily
removed, as we are seeing in Dubya's economic shambles, then your
philosophy falls apart.

Bush is out of office. You shouldn't use him as a crutch anymore.

Says he, who is busy trying to blame Dubya's fiascos on Clinton.

Do you want your children to be dependent upon your for the rest of
their lives or do you want them to become independent and self sufficient?

Mine are entirely self sufficient. But then they have had every
advantage in life, and certainly have a clear sense of the obligation to
society that a privileged upbringing imposes.

If so, what is ethical and moral about compelling your
friends and neighbors to support your causes at the point of a gun?
Nothing - so why are we in Iraq, "compelling our friends and neighbors
there to support our cause at the point of a gun"?
Oil. If the idiots would let us drill here in the USA we wouldn't have
to protect the oil flow from the middle east.

Oh, it's all about oil now, is it? Well better tell that to Bush and
co., because they certainly have not increased the flow to the US from
Iraq in spite of the billions of dollars they have thrown away there.

I guess the argument that we went to Iraq just to get free oil fell flat
on the floor.

Dubya wasn't even competent enough to do that.

This whole BS about "reliance on foreign oil" is just a canard. They
don't wan't us using oil regardless of where it is drilled.

Silly nonsense. However, it IS imperative that we develop alternative
energy sources post haste, because the oil supply will run dry in the
not too distant future.

I remember that it was proclaimed in 1974 that we only had 30 years of
oil left world wide.

Cite? We are certainly on the downside of oil extraction, which is
declining 2-3% per year.


Should the goal be that you keep as much of your money and property as
you can and I keep as much of my property as I can.

No, the goal should be to have as satisfying a life as possible. If the
only way you can measure that is by how much cash you grab for yourself,
then I feel sorry for you.

What is your definition of a satisfying life? My definition of a
satisfying life is to have as little government involvement and
interference as possible.

Then you are far too easily satisfied. And what will you do with this
"freedom" from government?

Great do it with your own money and leave me to do with my money what I
want. Or do you subscribe to the liberal view that I can't be trusted to
spend my money the way the liberals believe that I should sped it? Bill
Clinton vocalized that and never recanted. No one else on the left ever
stated that it was incorrect.

More silly nonsense.

Facts that you can't refute.

And you can't cite it.


Nobody ever said life was fair.

When you coddle people for too long they become dependent. The Democrats
have been coddling people for far too long. Turning a great, independent
and self reliant people into a bunch of babies who cannot and will not
do for themsleves because they have been told that mother government
will take care of them from craddle to the grave.

Oh, so this is being "coddled" is it? Being put out of work, while your
CEO takes home a multi million dollar pay packet is being "coddled"?
Watching your life savings go down the drain because
Madoff/Ebbers/Samson etc., have carpetbagged it is being "coddled"? You
really need to set the Limbaugh cartoon analysis aside, and look at the
real world for once.

Why not pay everyone $50,000 per year regardless of their job. Hell, why
should they have a job. Just give everyone $50,000 a year.

My CEO has more responsibility than I do. My CEO's value to my company
is much more than mine. I comparable replacement for me can be found in
a couple of weeks but, a comparable replacement for my CEO will take
quite a bit longer.

I fully believe the first part of that. The CEO might be easier to
replace than you think,

Again, life is not fair. Is it fair that one person gets cancer and dies
at the age of 19 and another person does not?

So it is fine with you that we just don't bother to save the cancer
victim, or spend money on cancer research? After all, it's just the
unfairness of life.


It shouldn't be that way. The roads should be self supporting.

How? You are just being stupid for the sake of it now.

Why did the federal government setup the transportation trust fund and
the social security trust fund? Could it have been to ensure that those
programs could be self supporting?

Are they self supporting, though? I thought not.

Yes health care is different.
No it is not.
Nice explanation.

Explanation already clearly given above, and only responded too with
your dumb one liner. the onus is on you if you want to make the case
that it is. Be my guest.

I now understand why you are a researcher and not a professor.

I am both. I fully understand, though, why you are neither.

Buy me a new car. You have more money than me so you can afford it.

I can, but you don't deserve it. Sorry.

That is extremely judgmental of you and not in line with good liberal
values.


Isn't it sad to find out the President of the US donated used underwear
to Goodwill and took a tax deduction for it. Isn't it sad that Al Gore,
the inventor of the Internet, gave a whopping $300 to charity one year
while he was VP? Isn't it sad that Joe Biden the current VP gives a
measly $350 a year to charity while admonishing people that it is their
patriotic duty to pay taxes.

Oh, for God's sake, grow up. Trolling the web for silly National
Enquirer stories should be beneath even you. Biden gives a career to
public service, holds a not very well paid position, and all you can do
is find stupid stuff like this. No wonder you guys got routed in
November.

I've never read the National Enquirer except at the super market
checkout counter.

You just talk like it. Perhaps the NE is channeling you.

If I understand correctly you are saying that if you are a government
employee then you are not obligated to donate to charitable causes? Or,
is it if you are an elected public official you are not obligated to
donate to charitable causes?

Nobody has a statutory obligation to donate anything. It is entirely a
matter between the individual and their conscience, and a function of
disposable income amongst other factors. I thought you regaled against
outside regulation and enforcement in such matters?

My experience working for the federal government is a bit different. The
CFC was a major activity to get federal government employees to
contribute via deductions from their paychecks to charities. Those
people who gave a career to public service in under paid positions still
had enough compassion for their fellow man to donate from thair meager
salaries to charity.

Good.

I have to give you credit for trying to give Biden a pass but, it just
doesn't pass the smell test.

For your wingnut nostrils, that is.

What great examples these self described compassionate leaders are to
the rest of us.


Why? Why should your ability to earn be limited by some arbitrary number
that is based on nothing but jealousy?

Nothing to do with jealousy - I am sure you would be content to be paid
$500,00 a year, wouldn't you? Or do you think that a CEO of a bank that
has been so poorly run that it loses $2.24 billion in one quarter and
eventually has to be bailed out by the government, should walk away with
$161.5 million? In what other walk of life, save for batting in the
major leagues, could be so well rewarded for being such a dismal failure?

Why the arbitrary cap of $500,000 why not $50,000.

You are evading the issue again. Why should failure be so grotesquely
rewarded?


What was the total cost, excluding the surgeon's and anesthesiologist's,
fees?

For my oldest daughter be in the Neo Natal ICU after she was born cost
$25,000 per month. This didn't include any equipment, services, drugs,
nurses or doctors fees.

About $50,000 for two nights in hospital including the surgery. The
hospital stay works out at about $12,000 per day. Now, you do understand
that the $16,500 was a listed line item on the bill for the prosthesis
alone, don't you? And that that prosthesis cost the hospital $500 to
purchase? Good.

Did you ask about the cost before you were admitted? Or did you just
assume that the hospital subscribed to your business and social
philosophy. It doesn't sound like you are a very good or informed consumer.

I have comprehensive insurance, so I had no need to. There are other
preoccupations pre-surgery, believe me.

Was this a for profit or a non-profit hospital.

Non-profit.


What is wrong with Pay-Go, Dear Leader Obama is a big fan of it in word
if not in deed.

And how many people do you have to employ to collect this road toll? And
how cost efficient is that? I thought so.

We could achieve 100% employment. It is a winner for everyone.

Fine, but it would cost you more in taxation than it generated in
revenue. But full employment would be good.


Clinton left Bush a pile of crap. Bush I left Clinton a pile of crap.
Carter left Reagan a pile of crap. Nothing new its what happens and it
is part of the play book on setting expectations. Always claim that you
predecessor left everything all screwed up. That way anything you do is
looked upon as an improvement.

Clinton left Bush a trillion dollar budget surplus, which he squandered
in tax breaks for the rich and a mega-billion dollar invasion of Iraq,
just to show Daddy he could go one better than him. Eight years is all
the time you need in office to be fully responsible for the outcome, and
I will hold Obama up to that scrutiny in 2016.

Change an assumption here, make a wide eyed guess there and you can make
the numbers paint a rosy picture. Most of the economists from both sides
of the political spectrum have stated that Dear Leader Obama's budget
assumptions are not based upon reality and that his promise to cut the
deficit in half bye the end of his term, 2012, in office are wholly
unrealistic and bordering on delusional.

Then let us wait and see. Any erosion of the Bush disaster deficit will
be a step forward.


Sounds to me like you know more about what Limbaugh is saying than I do.

I know enough about him to know this is the kind of dishonest crap he
feeds off. I always listen to him when I am in need of a good laugh.

Bill the Ditto Head. I never would have guessed.

Only if I laughed with the druggie, not at him.

Nope I speak American.

Sorry, but you don't. You may speak English badly, but it is still (a
form of) English :-)

We still have that problem about northern counties in Ireland to work out.

Oh, what problem is that? But then I don't suppose you have been there
lately, have you?
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