Re: my swing



On Dec 4, 6:34 pm, "R&B" <none_of_your_busin...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On 2008-12-04 11:53:47 -0500, calmar <m...@xxxxxxxxx> said:

Hi Randy,

Except in your case, you don't even lift
your head to allow your left shoulder to pass beneath your chin.  (See
below.)

yep


2.  In your takeaway, there is a "lifting" action with your hands and
arms to raise the club up.  This is wrong.  You want to turn your
shoulders away, and let your arms go along for the ride, maintaining as
much "length" with your left arm (and hence, as much "width" to your
swing's radius) as possible.

I don't make this here: http://www.calmar.ws/gallery_ems/ems_2008_128th_day/bilder/w3-front.avi
or here: http://www.calmar.ws/gallery_ems/ems_2008_128th_day/bilder/w3-back..avi



I did anykind of unproper takeaway - when you compare with what I did
before (like no addressing at all) it's better here :)

 And again, your head moves almost
immediately as soon as the club is going back.  But you don't move it
enough to allow your left shoulder to pass beneath it.  Instead, your
left shoulder simply collides with your chin in your backswing.  This
forces your head to move violently (it's hard to keep your eyes on the
ball when your head is moving so much).  Watch your head against the
background and you'll see it raise almost 4 inches from the address
position to the top of the backswing.  This moves the arc upward in
space, requiring that you make some sort of compensation move coming
down just to make contact with the ball -- nearly impossible to do
consistently.  The head, while not exactly "still," must maintain its
position in space, both laterally and in terms of "altitude," within
reasonable parameters.  Otherwise, the axis point of the swing shifts
in space and you must adjust and time the adjustment perfectly in order
to just make contact with the ball.  This is virtually impossible to do
with any consistentcy whatsoever.

yeah, but also better than it used to be.

some comments anyway: when you don't have any problem with hitting the
ball (e.g. not fat nor thin), it
probably won't matter when you move your head up/down.

when you move the head back and forth more or less, even when there is
some change all the time, the club might is
only marginally open/close. May stand at the ball, move forward/
backward and see about how it opens/close - not much. Well, it's still
better to not do such stuff of course.

also: http://www.calmar.ws/gallery_ems/ems_head_calm//index.htm


3.  There's way too much movement in your base (from your waist down).  
This is the biggest problem I see (even bigger than your head).  The
legs are the foundation of the golf swing.  With so much movement in
your legs, you don't have a solid base upon which to build a swing
because this wild movement of your legs causes your swing arc and swing
plane to move all over the place.  It's a wonder you ever hit the ball
at all.  (It's not my intent to be mean here, it's just a fact.)

I tried that this year to keep the right foot down - not possible for
me. Also: why does that bother? Even when the shoe is down on the
ground, the weight is not. So when the weight is not there (e.g.
anyway full on the right leg), how can it matter what the left does?

It would be a different story when there would be weight on the left.

But as said I tried and can't. btw: shoudn't baseball throwers also
keep their left foot on the ground - isn't that crazy to do what they
do with their 'front-leg'? or do i compare apples with bananas I
guess :)



4.  In video #2 (looking down the line), are you stopping at the top
for some reason, or have you chosen to use Charles Barkley's swing as a
model after which to pattern your own swing?  If the latter, I suggest
you lay off a few weeks and then quit.  At least to your credit, your
move from the top to the ball is far better than Barkley's.  
Unfortunately for you, that's not saying much.

Well, I do some funny thing there - that's new, and is maybe gonna
change. At least what I found out - a slow beginning of the downswing
is very good. Actually i'm caring for this a little bit. At least I
don't see a problem with it, even so it might looks awkward somebit
actually.

I don't know how 'Charles Barkley' is so :)


5.  Your swing seems really flat for a guy who doesn't seem to be all
that short.  Plus, your swing plane changes radically.



 In this video
(#2, looking down the line), notice the angle of the shaft when the
club is at address and at the top of the backswing as you're shifting
your weight to begin the downswing.  In those moments, the shaft is at
(give or take) about a 45 degree angle relative to the ground and
roughly perpendicular to your spine angle, which is more or less
correct.  With your head down so far, it's hard to tell whether your
spine angle could be a little more erect -- I think so.  But notice in
your follow through, as your hands get well above your head, the club
is nearly perpendicular to the ground, roughly on the same angle as
your spine.  That's a pretty radical change in shaft angle.  The shaft
angle changes about 30 degrees or more from these positions.  It's
impossible to play good golf that way.

I don't really get that - can't understand what you mean.

http://www.calmar.ws/gallery_ems/ems_swing-pics/bilder/nicklaus_profil.jpg

one pic is missing there (the position at the top you're referring I
think). But i'm not far away
from the one 90Degress after the impact and at the end. hm.



6.  In Video #4 (more or less face-on, with the building and mountains
behind you), it's clear what's happening.  Rather than your base (legs,
feet) providing some RESISTANCE to the coiling of your shoulders and
upper torso in the backswing, thereby storing power for the downswing,
your legs are giving way to the backswing so much that there's no
resistence at all, and hence, no stored energy to speak of.  The lower
body must RESIST the coiling action of the upper body in the backswing.

isn't it by the left foot - the resistance? and the right won't have
any weight and therefore no effect even on 'modern' swings?

I see lot of tension at least here: http://www.calmar.ws/tmp/tension.png

(between stand and hip, and hip and shoulder).

I have a short upswing, because there is quite some tension I think.

I know about the left 'lifting' foot - but I really tried and gave
up... (and still don't see the reason when there is no weight on it
anwyay) (at the end of the backswing)?


 That's the whole reason for the backswing.  Keep that left heel on the
ground in your backswing.  Even the old skool method of raising it
(which went out of vogue in the 1980s even on the pro tours) never
called for the entire foot (except for the toes) to be raised off the
ground as you're doing.  This move alone will dissipate much of the
energy you should be storing with the backswing.  Plus, with no solid
foundation upon which to drive in the downswing, you have nothing but
your arms and shoulders to call upon to initiate the downswing,
ignoring the biggest power source you have:  the big muscles in your
back and legs.

I clearly begin the downswing with my legs at least, don't I?
http://www.calmar.ws/gallery_ems/ems_2008_128th_day/bilder/w3-front.avi


8.  You're playing golf in the snow.  What the hell's the matter with you?  :-)

yeah, I do (well I only practice) this year, and I clearly like it -
like less people around.

cheers and thanks,
marco
.



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