Re: CHIP and Dem Heart Tugging...............

In article <ql4nh35vpnsm0b94lde1ivoimqkcvlgg1j@xxxxxxx>,
Jack Hollis <xsleeper@xxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:08:23 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
<clarknospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Apples and oranges.

In what way, Jack? How about you enlighten us with some reasoned
analysis, instead of trying, as usual, to avoid the issue with a glib
one liner?

I thought that I had already explained this to you.

In any case, it is well-known that overall cancer survival rates are
better in the US than in Europe and Canada. This has been true for a
long time and the most recent study in the Lancet this year confirms
that it is still true.

There is great variability within Europe as to survival rates with
Sweden as one of the countries that do the best. Likewise there is
great variability within the US as well. Here's a study by a Canadian
advocacy group comparing the cancer mortality rates of the US States
to regions in Canada.

Read the table:

Cancer Mortality, Case Fatality Rate (Mortality/Incidence) and
Incidence Rates (per 100,000) in Canada and the United States, Males,
All Sites 1993-97

http://www.canceradvocacy.ca/pages/stats-mortalality-fatality.htm

As you can see there are regions of the US that have much lower death
rates within the US than the national average. The same is true for
Canada.

Maybe, but they all operate under the same health care system. As does
the whole of Sweden, so comparisons country to country are perfectly
valid.

Accordingly you can not select the area of Europe that do the best and
then compare it to the entire USA because there are areas of the US
that are a lot better than the US average as well.

Europe is not a single country, and does not have a single, unified,
health care system. Trying to lump all these countries together is
totally specious, when you are using the data to compare the efficacy of
different health care SYSTEMS. No one would put Canada and the US
together to define treatment outcomes in "North America".

So your use of Sweden has no validity at all.

So your comparison of Europe to the US has no validity at all. Other
than to try to dilute the Swedish achievement, that is.


That being said, Sweden is a fine country and you have to give them
credit for doing the best job with cancer patients in Europe. If I
were them, I'd privatize the system and then they would do even
better.

Sure you would, and that would take care of their low per capita cost of
treatment, wouldn't it? You would, however, create a class of wealthy
doctors and insurance companies.

William Clark
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