Re: Phony Controversy

On Oct 3, 12:41 pm, "Ben." <komb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 3, 11:47 am, Dene <gdst...@xxxxxxx> wrote:





On Oct 3, 9:26 am, Bow Tie <ken_pitt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 3, 11:18 am, "Ben." <komb...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Oct 3, 11:09 am, Bow Tie <ken_pitt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Government trying to dictate health care issues has a long history of
disrupting the very things that are supposed to be getting fixed.

What does spending half a trillion on a vague war fix? What has it
gotten us thus far?

Look
at the messes (long queues and poor care) in Canada and Great Britain.
Prices here are high now because the is no competition. Health care
should be a private enterprise, not state sponsored and mandated.

The Children's Health Insurance Program is by no means a mandate for
state run healthcare as you portray it. It is for families with kids
who don't qualify for Medicaid but can't afford health insurance
otherwise. The horror.

More personal insults. What a surprise. You want to compare IQ's? name
your test.

You really are insecure, aren't you?!?

What are the reasons they can't afford the coverage? Could it be
cigarettes, beer, bass boat, $30K pickup truck, mortgage, trips to
casino, golf, shopping at the mall, cable TV with premium
channels, ................ etc etc etc? Living large and not meeting
real responsibilites? Insurance for children in nominal. The reason
these middle class people are not getting it is because they choose to
do so. What we don't need is another "entitlement" program. This is
one more incremental step toward socialized medicine.

You nailed it, Ken.

No, he didn't. He made a bunch of broad sweeping allegatons and
accusations against a program with which he disagrees politically.
And to classify the prospective participants of the SCHIP as geared
towards greedheads in the middle class who refuse to look after their
kids' health care is prima facie ridiculous.

In Oregon, Blue Cross's BEST plan for a child is
$90. If a family cannot afford that, then they qualify for assistance
for the whole family, not just the child. Insuring your child is
usually a matter of priorities, not economics.

First of all, $90 is $90/month, not a year, not a decade, not a
lifetime. Let's say you are an honest, upstanding single mother of
two working a job making $28,000/yr (and that is generous for
argument's sake). After taxes, you are left with, what, maybe $16 -
$17k? Just a ball park, I could be lean, I could be rich on that one.
Take $90 hard a month out, and you are left with less than $16k.
That $16k has to provide housing, clothing, food, car, gas, a nominal
sum for education related accessories, and all of the other expenses
related to raising a family on a single income. As far as Oregon
offering assistance for the whole family goes, we are talking about
Oregon here - would you say that Oregon is one of the more progressive
states in the union, or not?

I really do have a hard time believing that you two are of the opinion
that there is some cabal of middle class degenerates out there buying
boats, cars, vacations, and any other number of luxury items while
their kids stay sick and infirm w/o insurance! Most middle class
individuals have insurance through their employers...that is part of
the reason why they are called middle class, for Chrissake! Not to
mention the SCHIP participants, I would wager, would be beholden to
their W2's, wouldn't you think?- Hide quoted text -

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First of all, nobody who makes $28K has a $10K tax bill. If they do
and they have children, they had better run - not walk - to see a tax
specialist.

Duh, of course it's $90 a month. $90 a month for something that should
be a #1 priority is a nominal cost. Anyone who makes enough to not be
on the public dole can afford it. Period. Otherwise, sell the bass
boat or the Suburban.

This whole plan and idea is bogus. You want something and can't make
it fit? Take on another job. My dad worked three jobs until he retired
from the Fort Worth school system. He didn't look to Uncle Sugar for
handouts when we needed something. He earned it.

Ken

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