Re: Phony Controversy

On Oct 3, 8:52 am, Bow Tie <ken_pitt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Bush did 2 years of active duty, was a commissioned officer and
earned wings on the F102. That is hardly "cush". It is actually
dangerous because that plane was a notorious lead sled.

And he flew that F102 about as well as he ran his professional
business career and now the country: "...logs also show that in March
and April 1972, Bush twice needed multiple tries to land the F102
fighter."

He could have been deployed at any time like the rest of us.

No he couldn't have been deployed. National Guard units were not
called up from 1968 - 1974 per Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson. Want
to venture a guess as to when Bush enlisted? By the way, it was
widely considered that National Guard assignments were for those who
didn't/wouldn't go fight in Viet Nam...and the waiting list made those
of Studio 54 in 1977 look tame. It has been widely reported that
political favors were called in to get the young 'un at the top of
that particular list.

As a vet of that era, I have no problem with his service. Was it squeeky clean? No. (Neither
is mine). Did he muster out with an honorable discharge? Yes.

I wonder If you yourself had gone AWOL, didn't honor your commitment,
and conducted yourself in the manner which Bush apparently did, if you
would have the same level of discharge as Dubya? Or would you have
become familiar with the inside of a military court/prison?

The reserves back then were a joke. I know. I was a reserve for a
while after my 4 year tour on active dute.

Which is why it's all the more frustrating that Dubya couldn't even
complete a "joke" assignment w/o fucking it up somehow. Just follow
this guy's career - he's "middle management/softball coach of the
Wednesday night beer league" material. He is not executive material,
and we all know it.

If you want to look into someone with questionable service, look at
Kerry's record. Why was it ten years (almost the end of the 70's)
before he was released from service and given an honorable discharge?

Could be his radical anti-war stance upon his return, during which
time he was still in the Navy Reserves. The overlapping of his
visibility in terms of the VVAW movement w/ still being in the
Reserves probably didn't sit too well with brass. But, like you said
about Dubya, he "mustered out" an honorable discharge - which
according to you is sufficient.

Why is it so hard to get a copy of Kerry's book from that era, The New
Soldier? Could it be that it is so radical in its tone that he and his
minions have bought up every copy they can find?

Wow, that's some serious paranoia there. But I don't know, Ken, and
I'm not really worried about John Kerry's _book_. Wanna know why?
Kerry ACTUALLY served in Viet Nam! He earned every right to form a
radical opinion on the subject. Or is that not allowed in your right
wing worldview? Idiot. Oh, and here's a little more salt in your
wound - another radical thinker*, Al Gore, ACTUALLY decided not to
take a National Guard assignement and served in Viet Nam! As a field
reporter....but he was there. But George Bush is the straight arrow?
Sure thing, buddy.

* by "radical thinker" I don't mean good or bad, nor do I necessarily/
blindly subscribe to his current crusade of global warming.

Along these lines, I was at the gym the other day, and some guy was
getting in a heated, _very_ heated, discussion about Bill Clinton.
The best this guy could come up with, and I'm not kidding, is that he
"was a lying ***." This pretty much sums up the right's problem
with the left, Clinton in particular, - the perceived lack of morality/
honesty/integrity - it's like the communist witch hunts of the 50's.
The red under the bed syndrome*. Though in Clinton's case, I would
concede a degree of virtuous liberties. Regardless, who would you
rather have running the country - a brilliant philanderer who gets the
job done or a solid C student with strings? When you hear people like
Newt Gingrich say Bill Clinton is "the most brilliant politician we've
seen in our generation" or words to that affect, you know there's
something there.

* As we speak, Dubya has just vetoed the State Childrens Health
Insurance Program due to the inclusion of the word "State" I can only
assume.

YMMV.

It does. Green goes further...

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