Re: RIP Peter Jennings

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:46:13 -0400, "William A. T. Clark"
<clark.31@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>In article <6k1lf1lrc5jv3sgpjcmcpguoavi3coqmp9@xxxxxxx>,
> larry <larry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 10 Aug 2005 14:47:08 -0700, "Simon" <hancock_simon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry Larry, I didn't realise you had access to all the BBC channels.
>> >Do you prefer to watch the political discussion programs on BBC 1 and
>> >BBC4, the BBC News 24 channel or listen to the news and debates on BBC
>> >Radio 4 and 5?
>> >
>> >I actually get most of my news from the BBC News website
>> >(news.bbc.co.uk). Perhaps you could review the site and pick out the
>> >articles that have an obvious communist slant. I couldn't find any, but
>> >perhaps I've already been brainwashed by the "wide liberal left".
>> >
>> >Can you please explain your logic that being "liberal" means you are an
>> >anti-American, pro-Islamic communist?
>>
>> liberals are not those things-- they just don't see much wrong with
>> people with those sentiments-- Remember Hollywood and the
>> congressional Democrats lavishing affection and welcome on the
>> Sandinistas?
>>
>> Radical Islam wants you dead-- simply because you are not Islamic--a
>> "non-believer." But they will also kill if someone is the wrong brand
>> of Islamic, they are killing mostly other muslims in Iraq. There is
>> no compromise, no thought of any appeasement being sufficient-- you
>> must die because the Koran says so.
>>
>> Liberals like Kerry want to appease them-- and as they have done
>> repeatedly through history, liberals would basically give away
>> everything we have in the futile effort to appease evil.
>>
>> Larry
>
>This is ridiculous - there is absolutely NO place in the Koran that
>advocates the killing of non-muslims. Perhaps you can quote us the
>passage that is your source?
>
>To use the Koran to justify killing non-believers is as criminal a
>distortion of the truth and purpose of the Koran as using the Old
>Testament to authorize an eye for an eye.
>
>William Clark

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Excerpts from "Why I Am Not A Muslim" by Ibn Warraq, author

"Jihad is "a religious war with those who are unbelievers in the
mission of the Prophet Muhammad [the Prophet]. It is an incumbent
religious duty, established in the Qur'an and in the Traditions as a
divine institution, and enjoined specially for the purpose of
advancing Islam and repelling evil from Muslims"[1].

The world is divided into two spheres, Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb.
The latter, the Land of Warfare, is a country belonging to infidels
which has not been subdued by Islam. The Dar al-Harb becomes the Dar-
al Islam, the Land of Islam, upon the promulgation of the edicts of
Islam. Thus the totalitarian nature of Islam is nowhere more apparent
than in the concept of Jihad, the Holy War, whose ultimate aim is to
conquer the entire world and submit it to the one true faith, to the
law of Allah. To Islam alone has been granted the truth: there is no
possibility of salvation outside it. Muslims must fight and kill in
the name of Allah.

We read (IX. 5-6):"Kill those who join other gods with God wherever
you may find them";

IV.76: "Those who believe fight in the cause of God";

VIII.39-42: "Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief,
what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they
have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against
them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's."

Those who die fighting for the only true religion, Islam, will be
amply rewarded in the life to come:

IV.74: "Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of
this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's
path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome
reward."

What should we make with these further unfortunate verses from the
Qur'an:

*Torment to Non-believers->IV.56
*Only Islam Acceptable-> III.85
* No friends from outsiders->III.118
*No friends with Jews, christians->V. 51
* No friends with non believers->IV.144, III.28
* No friends with parents/siblings if not believers->IX.23
* Fight non-believers->IX.123 * Kill non-believers->IV.89
*Anti Jewish verses->V.82
* God a "plotter"->VIII.30
*Killing Idolators->IX.5
* Idolators are unclean just because they are idolator->IX.28
* Forcing non-believers to pay tax->IX.29
* The Torment of Hell->XLIV.43-58
* All except Muslims/Jews/Christians/Sabeans will go to hell->II.62,
V.69
* Cast terror in the hearts, smite the neck and cut fingertips of
unbelievers->VIII.12
* Smite the neck of unbelievers->XLVII.4
* Severe Punishment for atheists->X.4 ; V.10 ; V.86
* Severe Punishment for non-believers->XXII.19-22 ; LXXII.23, XCVIII.6
*Punishing non-believers of Hereafter->XVII.10
* Punishing for rejecting faith->III.91
* Non believers go to hell->IV.140 ; VII.36 * Partial Believers go to
hell too->IV.150-1
* Sadistic punishments->LVI.42-43
* Punishment for apostates->XVI.106 ; III.86-88 ; III.90 ; IV.137.
* Threat of punishement for not going to war->IX.38-39, XLVIII.16
*God making someone more sinful so he can be punished more->III178
*Intentionally preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth->VI.25 ;
VI.110
* Intentionally preventing unbelievers from Understanding Quran-
>XVII.45-46
* It is God who causes people to err and He punishes them for that-
>XVII.97
* God could guide, if he chose to, but did not->VI.35
* Intentionally misguiding those whom he pleases to->XIV.4
* Willfully misguiding some->XVI.93
* God causes human to err->IV.143 ; VII.178
* God deceiving humans->IV.142

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I suggest you do some reading, then post. Otherwise you appear to be
rather ignorant. You are certainly unarmed in a battle of wits
against people who know things.

Larry



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