Re: Health care fear ..

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:48:12 -0700 (PDT), "tom_sawyer70@xxxxxxxxx"
<tom_sawyer70@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 27, 10:55 am, Ea...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote:
I know two people who had chest pains (one being me) who had to wait
15 or more minutes in the ER recently to even complete paper work and
then wait to be taken to a room to wait for a doctor.


There are inefficiences in the current model ... and exhorbitant
costs, and too much paper, and the insurance companies dictate too
much, etc.

But that is a lot different than proclaiming that people will be
waiting 15 hours in the ER regardless of their condition or 6 months
for a doctor. A lot of this is scare-tactic rhetoric that has no
foundation in what is being proposed ... if it was, then there would
be actual links and tangible evidence rather than people ranting about
things they cannot show. It's no different than requesting the
evidence we see in this forum ... someone makes an accusation and the
other says, "show me the post where I said ..."

Further, if more people had access to basic health insurance, they
would not resort to having to go to the ER as their only option
(because the ER *has* to take them).

Most of the other people waiting looked like they needed to be run
through a car wash, fully clothed, to get their free treatment.

This is a big problem, no doubt, but it's cause/solution is not
related to health care reform.


Several years ago a heart patient would be taken back immediately.
Fortunately it turned out not to be my heart.


ER visits have risen dramatically over the past decade or so, a large
part of it due to inaccessible health care insurance and subsequent
care elsewhere. If those who needed a car wash had regular care, I'd
bet that many would not need ER care as often because like a car,
general maintenance prevents major problems.

I have no argument so far.

Sure, the ER is still needed but those who are not insured today are
using it for general care and it adversely affects those who really
have an emergency.

That is where triage comes in.

People are obviously paying, by some means, for free treatment. I
doubt that government getting involved in the procedure would increase
the efficiency in the slightest, neither financially not emotionally.

In fact it is probably more efficient for me to gripe about the wait
than to get government involved.

Once again I say it would be more important to help responsible,
productive people who will have high ccopays (like my son, grandson
and the lady who cleans our house) for years to come than to help many
people who never do anything but freeload.

Of course I am more interested in efficiency and earning one's way
than compassion.

Hugh
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