Re: BCS angle I hadn't considered - if UF beats 'bama - will they get to the BCS game?

On Dec 2, 12:59 pm, Seapig <sea...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 2, 8:43 am, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"





<Iamtj4l...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 2, 10:39 am, Seapig <sea...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 2, 5:10 am, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"

<Iamtj4l...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 1, 11:32 pm, Seapig <sea...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 1, 7:09 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"

<Iamtj4l...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 1, 5:57 pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior, my dear, dear friend, there was this
time, oh, 12/1/2008 4:05 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following
craziness loose on Usenet:

On Dec 1, 4:00 pm, "J.C. Watts Enslin" <jonens...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:49 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"

<Iamtj4l...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:27 pm, rich hammett <bubbaric...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Minun olisi pitänyt tietää, olisi pitänyt tietää,
olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, J.C. Watts Enslin:
On Dec 1, 3:13 pm, "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior"
<Iamtj4l...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Maybe not......to sum up this article, 'bama is #3 in the computer
polls - and Florida's 6.  Does beating #3 move them up enough to
leapfrog the 'horns even if they beat 'bama?  Texath has nearly a 3
position lead over UF in the computer polls as it is - and that might
be enough to over take the Gators overall - even if UF moves to #1 in
the human polls....
Chaos!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/BCS-Realp...
My guess is that the BCS would find a way to manipulate their formula
to prevent that from occuring.
They can't manipulate it until after the bowels.
I don't really think that Florida would be #1 in both human polls,
#5 or higher in the computer average, but be lower than #2 in the
total BCS ranking.
You're forgetting the OU and Texath would be no worse than 2/3 AND
would both possibly gain in the Harris poll.
The question is whether or not the computers would reward UF enough to
move them up from 6th - Texas has a .372 lead already - of which
essentially all comes from the computers.
A simple way to solve this is to only have conference champions
eligible for the Championship Game.  I've said it 100 times....

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As have I - even back when UNL got in over Oregon or
Illinois....however, it must be noted that UT is a coChamp with OU

CoChamp of what?  The South Division?

Yep.

Bit of an unusual situation, no?  Certainly different than the "nonCC"
situations we've seen before - and one that can easily happen with the
non Championship game conferences as well.- Hide quoted text -

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If Texas is considered a co-champ of the division, wasn't UNL also a
division co-champ in 2001?- Hide quoted text -

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IIRC, there wasn't a three way round robin as you have this year.

A three-way tie and a two-way tie are both ties.- Hide quoted text -

Sure - don't disagree with that.  Just noting that some ties are
different than others.  CU beat UNL head up which is not what we have
with the Big XII South.

It's just a difference in degree - UNL lost out on a tiebreaker, just
like Texas.  Texas just had to go deeper into the tiebreaking rules
before it happened.

Sure - they were both tiebroken - by different methods.

This is, IYR, a scenario you and I have discussed before - the
possibility of multiple champions w/o an "easy" head to head tie
breaker.  Heck, in the Bigger 10, it can even be worse since there's
no division and an unbalanced schedule.

Just because head-to-head is an "easier" tiebreaker, it doesn't
necessarily make it better.  The mere fact that we can have a
situation like that in the B12 South shows that head-to-head results
don't prove anything.  If they did, Oklahoma wouldn't have even had to
play Texas Tech - we already knew that Tech was better than Texas, and
Texas was better than OU, so Tech was *obviously* going to be better
than OU.

The conferences, and most everybody else, have bought into the head-to-
head myth, because it's easy and it's objective.  It doesn't tell us
who's most worthy of playing for a MNC.- Hide quoted text -

B/c "most worthy" is not exactly an objective phrase - whereas HTH is
at least somewhat objective. It's not the end-all be-all - sure is a
good place to start tho.
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