Re: amused by the evolution/creation nonsense debate in schools......

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olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, James Schrumpf:
Quiet, rich hammett <bubbarichau@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -- I'm transmitting rage.
Minun olisi pitänyt tietää, olisi pitänyt tietää,
olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, Chris Mihos:
On Jul 5, 10:26 pm, James Schrumpf
<jaspammenotschru...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It's vital, IMHO, that kids learn how Christian thought influenced
Western scientific progress thoughout the Enlightenment.  To do
otherwise hurts both sides of the discussion:  Christians need to know
that their POV hasn't been discarded since the earliest days of
science, and those on the other side of the fence need to know that
Christian thought had a great influence on the early scientists of the
time. --

I agree with you that history of science is very poorly taught, if at
all. Most science is taught as if facts just popped into existence,
instead of really teaching about the scientific process and how it is
intertwined with cultural history. But I wouldnt restrict it to just
talking about Christianity's influence. The ancient Greeks and Chinese
played a huge role in science, just to name a few examples.

Heck, Christianity was just one Greek sect of Judaism, so the
Greeks get credit for creating Christianity, and for affecting
science directly and through Christianity. But you never hear
about discarded theories of the ancient Greeks like atomism or
monotheism.

Ancient Greeks != the Greeks that founded Christianity, so I don't think
you can credit them with monotheism, especially since the ancient Hebrews
had been monotheistic forever.

No, they hadn't. They picked it up around the same time as
the Greeks. This is a hard subject to look at in the historical
record, though. It's much easier to see that the Jews adopted
the idea of Satan from other groups, and that it wasn't entirely
fixed even by the Christian Era.

Of course, you re-interpret the older writings in the light of later
inventions. That's only natural, but it certainly doesn't tell
you much about what the earlier people were actually thinking.

Atomism I did hear about in my science classes -- as well as the early
steam engine -- but I get the feeling these aren't covered in beginning
science courses any more.

I couldn't say. The thought that some idiots like Hennig or
mia might have escaped med school and actually be TEACHING
CHILDREN is enough to get me to teach mine at home.

rich
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