Re: The McMNC for 1984: Brigham Young University
- From: "David V. Loewe, Jr" <daveloewe@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:49:51 -0500
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:01:46 -0700 (PDT), mianderson
<clayabc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 30, 12:32 am, McMisanthrope <mcmisanthr...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
AP Top 10: Final Record -- Key Bowl Results
1. BYU: 13-0-0 -- W, Holiday, 24-17
2. Washington: 11-1-0 -- W, Orange, 28-17
3. Florida: 9-1-1 -- NONE (probation)
4. Nebraska: 10-2-0 -- W, Sugar, 28-10
5. Boston College: 10-2-0 -- W, Cotton, 45-28
6. Oklahoma: 9-2-1 -- L, Orange, 17-28
7. Oklahoma State: 10-2-0 -- W, Gator, 21-14
8. SMU: 10-2-0 -- W, Aloha, 27-20
9. UCLA: 9-3-0 -- W, Fiesta, 39-37
10. USC: 9-3-0 -- W, Rose, 20-17
Well, this is a weird season (aren't they all?). It's really a simple
matter of BYU and Washington here. We've tracked BYU's ascent up the
AP poll recently, and they finally reached the summit here in 1984.
The problem is this: Washington didn't win its conference in 1984. The
Huskies finished second to USC, losing the head-to-head matchup by
nine points on the road on November 10 -- thus losing the Pac-10 crown
to the Trojans and eliminating themselves from McMNC contention.
oh jesus.....why are they "automatically" eliminated because they
didnt win their conference? The season isn't just about in
conference. If team A loses a tiebreaker to team B in conference(and
thus loses the conference), that *doesn't mean* they didn't have a
better overall season that team B......and since the regular season
consists of basically 2/3 in conference and 1/3 ooc, it's silly to
rank teams based on how they did *only* in conference.
Washington had 1 loss to a top 10 team and beat a pretty good
team(another top 10 team) in a "big" bowl.........they're the right
pick.
Damn straight, Skippy.
--Same
with Nebraska (lost the Big 8 crown to Oklahoma the same way).
Florida? Cheatenous. Too bad, because their 56% SOS rating would have
been enough (perhaps) to dethrone the Cougars (assuming the Gators
would have won a bowl game to go 10-1-1). Oklahoma State falls the
same way Nebraska did; SMU didn't win the SWC (losing the head-to-head
tiebreak to Houston). As the Pac-10 champ, USC has three losses.
Boston College, even with its two losses, is really the only team we
*can* consider, even partially, as an alternative to BYU. Why? A 60%
SOS rating, coupled with a one-point road loss to UPI #18 West
Virginia (8-4) and a seven-point road loss to 6-5 Penn State. At least
those are decent losses (although hardly "good" losses). The Eagles
did beat 6-5 Temple at home by 14 points, as well as 7-3 Rutgers at
home by 12 points. Not exactly "good" wins, though, eh? They beat
8-3-1 Army by 14 points at home, they beat 6-5 Syracuse at home by
eight points, and they beat AP #18 Miami-FL on the road by two points
(you might remember that game --http://youtube.com/watch?v=r-qkpsygNYo).
Finally, they beat 8-3 Holy Cross on the road by 35 points, and they
beat 7-5 Houston, the SWC "champ", in the Cotton Bowl. Not exactly a
barn-burning schedule: they beat one ranked team, and even that was a
friggin' miracle. This is perhaps the softest "good" schedule we've
seen yet in an McMNC analysis.
But consider the other option here is BYU. Surely, their schedule
probably was just as squishy: the Cougars' SOS rating was a mere 42%
in 1984. They did try, however, to schedule good teams. They traveled
to Pittsburgh, but the Panthers were only 3-7-1 in 1984. BYU beat them
by six points. The Cougars beat 6-5 Tulsa by 23 points at home, they
beat 7-4 Hawaii by five points on the road, they beat 8-4 Air Force by
five points on the road, and they beat 6-5-1 Utah on the road by ten
points. Those were the only four winning teams BYU faced all year;
none of them were from a major conference, and even the Cougars'
Holiday Bowl opponent finished a mere 6-6 (Michigan). In addition to
the Wolverines, the only major-conference opponent BYU faced all
season was 5-6 Baylor: the Cougars beat them 47-13 in Provo.
The reality is this: Boston College didn't play a good enough schedule
or beat enough good teams to overcome their two losses. And BYU didn't
play a very good schedule, either, but the chips fell just right for
the Cougars in 1984: no major-conference team won its conference, won
its bowl game AND finished with less than three losses.
BYU wins the 1984 McMNC by default, basically.
McMNC Revisions
1. BYU
2. Washington
3. Boston College
4. Nebraska
5. Oklahoma State
RUNNING SCORECARD:
USC: -1962, =1967, +1969, =1972, +1978, +1979
Pittsburgh: +1936, -1937, =1976, +1980
Tennessee: +1938, +1942, +1950, -1951
Penn State: +1977, +1981, =1982
UCLA: +1965
Arkansas: +1964
Mississippi: +1962
Washington: +1960
Iowa: +1956
Georgia Tech: +1952
Illinois: +1951
Michigan: +1947, =1948
Purdue: +1943
Stanford: +1940
California: +1937
Nebraska: =1970, =1971
BYU: =1984
Syracuse: =1959
LSU: =1958
Texas A&M: =1939
Auburn: -1957, +1983
Georgia: +1946, -1980
Michigan State: -1952, +1953
Ohio State: -1942, +1944, =1954, =1968
Oklahoma: +1949, -1950, =1955, -1956, +1957, =1975
TCU: -1938
Maryland: -1953
Clemson: -1981
Miami-FL: -1983
Texas: =1963, -1969
Army: -1944, -1945
Minnesota: -1936, -1940, =1941, -1960
Alabama: +1945, =1961, -1964, -1965, -1978, -1979
Notre Dame: -1943, -1946, -1947, -1949, =1966, =1973, -1977
"What can you do when your dreams come true
And it's not quite like you planned?
What have you done to be losing the one
You held it so tight in your hand?"
Don Henley & Glenn Frey
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