Re: Hey Wingers, Stop With The Obama Hypocrisy
- From: Jim Gysin <jimgysin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:33:52 GMT
Dan Bretta sent the following on 3/17/2008 3:45 PM:
Your haters are as bad as his....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html
Wow. This is so stupid and dishonest, it's hard to know where to start. But I'll try.
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When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association.
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Yeah, that's all it was. A little "thundering" about a couple of high-minded concepts. Did this guy (Schaeffer) not read all of the spewage, or is he hoping that his Huffington Post audience hasn't read it?
Because for starters, there's the bit about us being responsible for HIV and for 9/11. But I guess that's just a bit of "thundering."
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By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild.
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Oddly enough, once these "controversial" (gotta love the quotes) and mild comments got out, Obama couldn't drop the guy fast enough. Go figure.
So... which is it? Were the comments "controversial" and un-mild enough to justify Obama dumping the guy, or was Obama a wimp and spineless for not standing up and defending his spiritual advisor of 20-plus years? Or is there some third option that allows Obama to come away from all of this looking all statesmanlike and glowing?
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If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.
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Schaeffer uses this as an example of what he sees as some sort of hypocrisy, but I would say that I agree with the statement, and I would not drop my pastor like a hot potato is he said such a thing in a homily. (Although he wouldn't, because he doesn't politicize from the sanctuary.)
Of course, Schaeffer conveniently ignores the fact that this isn't remotely like what Obama's guy was saying.
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In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....
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I don't disagree with this, either. And if my pastor said it, I wouldn't run away from him and would actually defend him--two things that are apparently beyond Obama's capabilities.
But I wonder how it relates to claims that, say, we're responsible for 9/11 and AIDS?
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There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...
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Again, what's there for a Christian to disagree with? I have no idea what was intended by "appropriate response," and I'm pretty sure Schaeffer doesn't know, either. But what does any of it have to do with the claims made in the current situation regarding AIDS, 9/11 et al?
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Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it.
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Hello, Captain Clueless! That's the point. They didn't run for cover, and why do you think that is? OTOH, Obama DID run for cover, and why do you think THAT is? (Hint: it's not hypocrisy when you stand by your own comments.)
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Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad's statements.
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There's a message there for Schaeffer regarding the many failures in his attempts to compare the two situations, but he's apparently too stupid (or, again, thinks his audience is too stupid) to understand the differences.
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Take Dad's words and put them in the mouth of Obama's preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason.
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Um... no. Comparing the two is almost too simplistic and too fatally flawed for words. Short answer: Obama is NOT catching heat because his preacher encouraged social activism; it was over some of the reasons WHY he was doing it, and the things he was saying themselves.
And am I mistaken, or is Schaeffer flirting with playing the race card when he mentions BLACK preachers?
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Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words "godly" and "prophetic" and a "call to repentance."
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Wow. It's official. Whipping out the ol' race card, eh? The Obama sycophants are really starting to panic, aren't they? They must think that this thing really has traction at this point. Score one for Hillary's camp, I guess.
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We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.
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And once again, Captain Clueless is either unable (or thinks his audience is unable) to grasp the reason WHY the latter had to recant. Hint: it was because this supposed "hypocrisy of the right" doesn't exist, and when one of their own says something akin to what Wright said, those on the right hold the person(s) accountable.
Heck, just the fact that Schaeffer admits that Falwell and Robertson were forced to recant should have been enough to convince him that his simplistic comparisons weren't going to fly and to file this article in the circular file, but again, he's too stupid (or the standard "his audience" qualifier here) to understand it.
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They are the same people who argue for the right to "bear arms" as "insurance" to limit government power.
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Yes, as insurance against potential FUTURE misbehavior on the part of the government. OTOH, Wright's offensive comments concern the current and past governments.
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Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine.
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I love it when someone plays the race card and then turns right around and accuses someone else of playing the race card. That's funny stuff.
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Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the "scandal" of Obama's preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency.
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Gee, if I didn't know better, I might think that Schaeffer just brought race into the discussion again. Heh.
In the end, those on the religious right (whether right or wrong) stood by those who spoke for them and didn't drop them at the first sign of heat. So the whole hypocrisy argument is nonsense, unless you really think that Wright's comments are truly comparable to anything OTHER THAN what Falwell and Robertson said. And once again, Falwell and Robertson were forced to recant. There's a message there for those on the left who aren't too blind or stupid to see it.
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Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
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