Re: This Just Has To Be Said
- From: "Charles Beauchamp" <c.e.beauchamp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:19:37 -0700
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On Mar 16, 6:30 pm, "Charles Beauchamp" <c.e.beauch...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
"E.F. Hokie" <nos...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:40:02 -0400, Dan S. wrote...
E.F. Hokie brought next idea :
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:33:26 GMT, MoParMaN wrote...
The Shrub has been a great president, I can't wait for his library
to
open
at SMU.
Will the memorial for the all the American lives he's wasted be right
outside, Scott?
I don't think wasted is a good word. What ever you believe, those men
and women did the best they could in difficult circumstances. Showing
potential despots that there are still a few of us who will stand and
fight for freedom is honorable enough IMO. It's the milktoast
naysayers who have them thinking free men are soft.
Wasted is precisely what I meant, Slaughter... and I damned sure don't
need you or anyone else to instruct me on how those who had their lives
and deaths wasted by the Bush administration conducted their business.
At no time did I suggest, nor would I suggest, that their efforts were
without honor. As for "us", you might want to use that word a bit more
carefully in the future, unless you were there alongside those people.
BTW:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milquetoast
--
E.F. Hokie
<insert witty or profound quote here>
You are full of crap Bryan. I'll say US personally and won't blink an eye
at the anticipated silly reply that will come from you. I will simply ask
you the same question I asked you a little over a year ago when you did
your
180. When you came back from your part of the invasion of Iraq you were in
this forum seeping emotionally over how you felt liberating millions and
even posted what looked like Christmas thanks over it. Now you are of an
entirely different mind. It is absolutely beyond impossible for the same
position to be held within the same brain...therefor you were either
telling
the truth then..or you are now. Which would also reason that you were
either lying then or are lying now. And since your personal direct
connection to the situation there is no stronger today then it was then
I'd
question your reasoning either way. My personal expectation is that you
are
simply doing that thing where you want to be accepted and agreed with by
the
majority of idiots in this forum and it goes not much further then that.
So, you can't change your mind over time? You can't process new
information and reach a different conclusion? How sad.
But what do I know. I've been to war. We won mine and no one pretends we
lost mine so I guess it is different.
Like that has anything to do with the point?
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--
v/r Beau
God Bless Hokienation!!!
I hate my newsreader but am too cheap to buy a better one. No clue why the
quoting is erractic.
A person can change their mind over time. I question anyone who underogoes
such an extreme fundamentally different view given distance of time though.
This isn't someone deciding one day that they like orange jello and then the
next day deciding they do not. This is a guy suggesting that soldiers dying
in Iraq have been wasted...a view that is so basically offensive to this
peculiar veteran that yes I will call him out on it. I think of Bryan as a
friend and suspect I have overstated it a bit..but the basic question
remains. What additional information does he now have that reasonably
changes his position from what read as the highest pride to something
seeming to read as shameful.
As for the last part there..well yes it does have a lot to do with it. I
would say in my personal life the work of greatest wide ranging impact that
I will ever do occurred in the winter-spring of 1990-1991 in the Middle
East. I recall a recognition in the middle of a day in February of 1991
when it became clear to us there that what we had worked so hard on was
going to succeed the elation of victory. I also remember being part of a
larger conversation regarding whether or not we should cease advancement and
preparation of a reccomandation to be given to the President. I also
recall personally my position..which was...stop in place and negotiate a
surrender or a cease fire. And way back then in that far off place I
asserted that sending coalition troops into Baghdad would turn victory into
something else...urban warfare...that we were not sent there to remove the
Baathist regime and it wouldn't take very long before people like Sen. John
Kerry (yes that far back) would be calling our victory.. a defeat. It would
be hard to be more relevent to the point since Bryan seemed to hint yet
again that because he was in Iraq and knows some dead soldiers that his view
is unique and morally superior. He is not unique...his position is not
inherently superior morally to many other perspectives.
Those men and women defending us over there are not being wasted and I don't
care who it is that suggests otherwise. And finally sometimes good men
strongely disagree with each other. We will likely see a lot of that over
the summer in the Presidential race between Obama and McCain.
--
v/r Beau
God Bless Hokienation!!!
.
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