Re: Kansas is #1

Seapig wrote:
On Jan 12, 7:24 am, stephenj <s...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Seapig wrote:
Yes, but unless the codes are tinkered with mid-season, they reflect an
abstrast assessment of what constitutes achievement, sans the bias of
knowing the names of particular teams. the computers just see a "bundle
of achievements", and the great bulk of them see LSU's as > Kansas's.


I don't think all of them are measuring achievement. A lot of them,
maybe most of them, are generating "power ratings", which gets back to
my problem with rating teams by how good they are vs. rating them on
what kind of season they had.

perhaps. usually, though, "power ratings" mean predictors, and that means including MOV. but, the 8 BCS computers, which can't include MOV, have LSU ahead of Kansas as well.

computers of all shapes, sizes, formulas, intel or amd processors, hetero or bisexual, muslim or atheist, and many other configurations all seem to favor LSU over kansas. i bet even the IBMs and MACs agree on it.

it's pretty emphatic ... :)

btw, another way of looking at the computers is how many of them have
kansas and LSU ranked #1. there are now 94 computers in the tally, and
64 of them have LSU #1. Kansas? 3 of them.


It's nice to know that there are three guys out there who know what
they're doing.


I've never said arguing kansas > lsu is "nutty".

Anderson has said as much. Sometimes it's hard to tell you two apart.

you should post a complement to anderson in reply to one of his
posts.

It was meant to be an insult. To somebody.

well then you'd have to reword it to come out right.


If nobody took it as an insult, it was probably an accurate statement.

you'd probably be best off just leaving the insult attempts out, eh?

The question reflects the "drop dead" points you have set for each
team. Kansas's MNC chances died with just one loss. LSU, with two
losses, won the MNC, so it would have taken at least three losses to
kill them. Yes, Kansas played an easier schedule, but you're clearly
setting a much, much higher bar for them than for LSU.

no, not given their schedule. eg, if any top team had played hawaii's
schedule, i'd be stunned if they didn't go 12-0. heck hawaii did and
they weren't a top team.

Two things: first, I'm talking about the whole schedule, including
the postseason. To go undefeated against Hawaii's entire schedule,
capping it with a win over Georgia, would have been an impressive
accomplishment for anybody. If they'd pulled that off, I'd probably
be arguing for them instead of Kansas right now.

i bet you would. at least in the hawaii/georgia game, something seemed to be at stake. Hawaii was trying to prove to the world (all the naysayers) they belonged in the big-time. georgia was smarting from the double-whammy of not only missing out on the bcs title game they thought they deserved, but also being snubbed by the Rose Bowl and its sad attachment to the Big 10, and losing out on a matchup with a top team like USC. so you had two very motivated teams.

the orange bowl? there was nothing happening in that game, and the sleepy level of play reflected it.

Second, we're not talking about Hawaii's schedule. For Kansas to go
undefeated, they would have had to beat two top-ten teams. (In
reality, they would have had to beat three, because Oklahoma would
have been added to the mix, but I'm sticking to the games actually
played when comparing the schedules.) LSU could have had a two-loss
season without beating any top-ten teams. They didn't do it that way,
only because they used up their allotment of losses against lesser
teams.

I could see asking Kansas to win one more game against elite teams,
because the rest of the schedule was tougher for LSU. But when we
require them to win two more, we're not even close to putting them on
a level playing field.

good point about kansas needing to play 3 top 10 teams to go undefeated. but as it was they played two, eeking by one in a largely meaningless game while getting beat soundly in one with everything on the line.

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