Re: Kansas is #1

On Jan 10, 11:41 pm, Seapig <sea...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jan 10, 10:00 am, stephenj <s...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Seapig wrote:
it's not really a basis for ranking, but it bears noting that all the
other teams in the top 5 got there by playing BCS bowl games. thus,
mizzou's ranking isn't quite as solid, reliable.

Aren't you the same guy who was more impressed by Mizzou's bowl win
than by Kansas's win in a BCS bowl game?

Yes. Missouri totally dominated a pretty good ARK team. Nevertheless,
they didn't have to face an Oklahoma (oops!), USC, Georgia, etc.

it also bears noting that while LSU won their division (and thus were
rewarded by playing an additional tough game vs. tennessee) and their
conference (and thus were rewarded by playing the #1 ranked team, tOSU),
Kansas LOST their division, and thus didn't have to face a tough team,
Oklahoma.

Is playing a good team a reward, or is it something you have to do?
You could just as easily say that Kansas didn't get to face a tough
team, they lost out on a chance to add a quality win to their record.

By 'reward' i mean they won their way into games with tough teams.
Kansas didn't.

After playing a dismal schedule, Kansas had their big chance vs.
Mizzou. They failed badly.

Either way, a Kansas-Oklahoma game didn't happen, so I'm not going to
take it into account. LSU-Tennesse and LSU-tOSU did happen, and I
give LSU full credit for winning those games.

I can't give Kansas credit for big games Kansas didn't play, due to
their own failure.

Also, Mizzou's rank is boosted because they BEAT kansas, which then
paradoxically redounds to kansas's benefit in your analysis of the
quality of kansas's losses.
overall, kansas beat #9 and lost to #4.

lsu lost to two unranked teams, but beat #15, #13, #12, #9, and #5.
Considering that those teams all have those ranks DESPITE LOSING to LSU,
we can see that LSU played a far tougher schedule.
The voters obviously like LSU more than Kansas, so they should punish
a loss to Kansas more, and reward a win over LSU more. So, this
factor you're introducing helps LSU more than Kansas.

it's not just voters. across 86 computers, 77 have LSU ranked ahead of
Kansas, compared to 9 that have Kansas over LSU:

http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm

If I wanted to just follow the majority, I wouldn't be arguing against
LSU. The fact that 9 computers have Kansas above them tells me that
there is an argument to be made there; it's not just some lone nutjob
in his parents' basement with a Commodore 64.

No, but the ratio does reflect the respective strenghts of those
arguments. :)

I've never said arguing kansas > lsu is "nutty".

Not to mention
that Kansas only gave one of their opponents a boost by losing to
them; LSU gave two of them boosts (all the way into the "also
receiving votes" category).

kentucky won a bowl game, and arkansas got tagged with a loss in theirs
because they faced a much higher-finishing opponent (not talking about
subjective rank, but how arkansas and mizzou objectively finished in
their conference standings).

They're both good teams, I think they both should be ranked (in part
because of their wins over LSU). I just don't think they're the type
of teams a champion should lose to. Once, maybe, but not twice.

No one is saying LSU is equal to Texas 2005 or somesuch. Sometimes,
you don't have to be super-great to be the most-accomplished team in a
given year. This was a down year, a year of 'parity', whatever you
want to call it.

IMO, more than enough of an SOS gap to negate 1 less loss.
LSU played a tougher schedule, but look at it this way:

Let's say somebody holds a gun to your head and says "Your team is
either going to play Kansas's schedule or LSU's schedule (bowl
opponents included). If you play Kansas's schedule, I'm pulling the
trigger after one loss. If you play LSU's schedule, I'm pulling the
trigger after three losses." Which one would you choose?

er, this isn't registering ..

Answer the question! There's a gun to your head!

Kansas with 1 loss equals LSU with 3?
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